[governance] Indian Express on privacy

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

There's an invisible black helicopter hovering over your apartment right about now :)

More seriously, mctim is right in what he said earlier in this thread.

--srs (iPad)

On 24-Nov-2012, at 21:07, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Think so? ;-)
> 
> Fahd
> 
> On Nov 24, 2012 5:12 PM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>> Or equally it could be a cia plot to snoop on the citizens of that country?  ;-) 
>> 
>> --srs (htc one x)
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
>> To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net>
>> Cc: "governance at lists.igcaucus.org" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>> Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
>> Date: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:29 PM
>> 
>> 
>> Or maybe one's government does not understand the pros of having an IXP and
>> the necessity of working with the various local Internet stakeholders.
>> 
>> Fahd
>> On Nov 24, 2012 4:30 PM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>> 
>> > Even if your traffic does pass through a western country it would be
>> > because the destination is there unless your isp is unwise enough not to
>> > peer with other local isps
>> >
>> > --srs (htc one x)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Reply message -----
>> > From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <fahd.batayneh at gmail.com>
>> > To: "McTim" <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: "IG Caucus" <governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>> > Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy
>> > Date: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 6:41 PM
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <
>> > fahd.batayneh at gmail.com
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed any
>> > of
>> > >> them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what one can
>> > >> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at things
>> > >> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet
>> > traffic
>> > >> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ALL, is a pretty strong statement.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within the
>> > same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same
>> > Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven countries.
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Do you have any evidence for it?
>> > >
>> >
>> > No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored vs.
>> > something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you disagree
>> > that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access points
>> > based in Western countries?
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as measures of
>> > >> "National Security".
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing packets.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national interests is
>> > another (especially Western countries that keep using the term "War on
>> > Terror").
>> >
>> > Fahd
>> >
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