<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>There's an invisible black helicopter hovering over your apartment right about now :)</div><div><br></div><div>More seriously, mctim is right in what he said earlier in this thread.<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 24-Nov-2012, at 21:07, "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p>Think so? ;-)</p>
<p>Fahd</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 24, 2012 5:12 PM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:Arial">Or equally it could be a cia plot to snoop on the citizens of that country? ;-) <br><br>--srs (htc one x)<br><br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy<br>Date: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:29 PM<br><br></span><br>Or maybe one's government does not understand the pros of having an IXP and<br>the necessity of working with the various local Internet stakeholders.<br>
<br>Fahd<br>On Nov 24, 2012 4:30 PM, "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Even if your traffic does pass through a western country it would be<br>
> because the destination is there unless your isp is unwise enough not to<br>> peer with other local isps<br>><br>> --srs (htc one x)<br>><br>><br>> ----- Reply message -----<br>> From: "Fahd A. Batayneh" <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: "McTim" <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>> Cc: "IG Caucus" <<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>><br>
> Subject: [governance] Indian Express on privacy<br>> Date: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 6:41 PM<br>><br>><br>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 2:40 PM, McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Fahd A. Batayneh <<br>> <a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@gmail.com" target="_blank">fahd.batayneh@gmail.com</a><br>> > > wrote:<br>> ><br>
> >> While I do have Facebook and Twitter accounts, I have not accessed any<br>> of<br>> >> them for quite a long time, and I do not use them. This is what one can<br>> >> expect when posting personal data online. However, if we look at things<br>
> >> differently, who is not exposed (Internet users)? All our Internet<br>> traffic<br>> >> passes through the various Tier-1 ISPs in the USA and EU<br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ALL, is a pretty strong statement.<br>
> ><br>><br>> Well, we can exclude local traffic passing via IXPs or maybe within the<br>> same network, and maybe very sensitive data that move across the same<br>> Intranet, or maybe traffic that moves within censorship-driven countries.<br>
><br>><br>> ><br>> > Do you have any evidence for it?<br>> ><br>><br>> No one has evidence about either scenario (everything is monitored vs.<br>> something is monitored vs. nothing is monitored). But would you disagree<br>
> that Internet traffic moving overseas does have to pass at access points<br>> based in Western countries?<br>><br>><br>> ><br>> > , and some of them might want to inspect traffic randomly as measures of<br>
> >> "National Security".<br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > None of them "want to", as it would impact business of passing packets.<br>> ><br>><br>> Not really. Business is one aspect of the story, but national interests is<br>
> another (especially Western countries that keep using the term "War on<br>> Terror").<br>><br>> Fahd<br>><br></blockquote></div>
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