AW: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )
Ian Peter
ian.peter at ianpeter.com
Thu Nov 22 14:48:45 EST 2012
Thanks Wolfgang.
I suspect the ITU meet will end not with a bang, but a whimper. No doubt
then one side will tell us their campaign was a huge victory for internet
freedom, the other will tell us that the campaign was a huge paranoic
response to the opinions of some members, opinions not supported by the
membership as a whole. And we will move on to the next chapter.
But somewhere, sometime, the legitimate concerns of governments as regards
inappropriate content have to be addressed by some sort of protocol or
agreement. No, that's not ITU's role. Nor is it ICANN's. The protocol has
to involve corporations, governments, and civil society. In the absence of
such a protocol or agreement we will see a fracturing Internet and more and
more attempts at national based controls over content and corporate actions.
Having a great big campaign about ITU is not solving this problem one bit.
This lack of governance, not ITU, is the reason we are facing a substantial
fracturing of the Internet if nothing is done.
Ian Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 9:05 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter ; Lee W McKnight ; michael
gurstein ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: AW: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note
from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )
Ian:
I along with quite a few others here do not believe it is in civil society's
interests to take sides in this decades old battle. By all means
argue for ITU to open up its closed meetings, but I do not think an
alignment of opposition to ITU per se is sensible strategically.
Wolfgang:
ITU does a good job in a number of important fields: frequency coordination,
development, infrastructure, standards. ITU needs support to do this job
good. But it should stick to its core business. Domain names and IP
addresses are not the core business of ITU. I would not recommend that ICANN
or the RIRs enter the field of frequency allocation and I do not recommend
that ITU should enter the DNS space. Unfortunately since 1996 we have a
cold war here. In Guadalajara (2010) there was a moment of "detenete" when
for the first time in ITUs history an acronym like ICANN appeared in a ITU
resolution (althoug it was only in a footnote). The recommendation was to
enhance collaboration. But nothing has happened so far. To end the cold war
would need a clear understanding of a division of labour. Since years the
option of an ICANN-ITU MoU is discussed without any progress. Fadi and Toure
had a "summit meeting" in form of a joint breakfest during the IGF in Baku
in October 2012. Both sides were happy with the new level of "mutual
understanding". Is this the start of a "new season"? I am not sure. It is
very complex. It is not only the ITU Secretariat, it is also about "member
states" and as long as member states do not have any interests in something
like an ITU-ICANN peaceful coexistence on the basis of a collaborative
division of labour we will see a continuation of a harmful arm twisting.
Dubai is just the next step. More will come in Geneva (May 2013), in the ITU
Plenipotentiary in 2014 and in the WSIS 10+ process (which will kick start
in February in Paris) until a possible WSIS III in 2015. The only thing one
can hope for is that this cold war will not affect too much the individual
Internet user. But also this is nowadays questionable with national
governments which want to extend their "national sovereignty" into
cyberspace.
Wolfgang
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee W McKnight
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:06 AM
To: michael gurstein ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: RE: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note
from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )
I recommend the more nuanced (?) recent Hollywood B movie - 'Cowboys and
Aliens.'
In case you missed it, and sorry then for giving away the plot, Cowboys, of
the black and white hat variety, and "Indians," all join together to battle
the space invaders ; )
Lee
________________________________________
From: michael gurstein [gurstein at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:26 PM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Lee W McKnight
Subject: RE: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note
from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )
Hmmm... Cowboys and ``Indians``... I like a good shoot-em-up especially when
the good guys are all wearing white hats and the bad guys, black ones...
Makes figuring out who to root for so much easier :)
M
-----Original Message-----
From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Lee W McKnight
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:45 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from
Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )
The attachment is perhaps of interest to some, re WCIT, from old pal, and
ex-FCC, ex-ITU, and ex-Verisigner Tony Rutkowski. ; )
Lee
________________________________________
From: David Farber [dave at farber.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:21 PM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from Tony Rutkowski
(comments welcomed :-) )
From: Tony Rutkowski <trutkowski at netmagic.com>
Subject: Re: Any chance
Date: November 21, 2012 9:57:20 AM EST
To: "DAVID J. FARBER" <farber at gmail.com>
Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com
Hi Dave,
Does this do it for you?
It should be popular. :-)
For noting, I ran the secretariat
for the last WCIT, and helped
the Secretary-General at the
time develop and negotiate
the provisions in his hometown
of Melbourne. I also led the
ITU-T cybersecurity standards
group over the past four years.
The turf is all too familiar.
cheers,
tony
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