AW: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )

Suresh Ramasubramanian suresh at hserus.net
Thu Nov 22 06:34:00 EST 2012 

To be frank, Bob Shaw moving away (or being moved away?) from cybersecurity activities at ITU has been a giant step backwards .. I have noticed a dramatic lowering of the level of engagement with civil society and other relevant non government stakeholders since then.

--srs (iPad)

On 22-Nov-2012, at 15:35, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:

> Ian: 
> I along with quite a few others here do not believe it is in civil society's interests to take sides in this decades old battle. By all means
> argue for ITU to open up its closed meetings, but I do not think an alignment of opposition to ITU per se is sensible strategically.
> 
> Wolfgang:
> ITU does a good job in a number of important fields: frequency coordination, development, infrastructure, standards. ITU needs support to do this job good. But it should stick to its core business. Domain names and IP addresses are not the core business of ITU. I would not recommend that ICANN or the RIRs enter the field of frequency allocation and I do not recommend that ITU should enter the DNS space.  Unfortunately since 1996 we have a cold war here. In Guadalajara (2010) there was a moment of "detenete" when for the first time in ITUs history an acronym like ICANN appeared in a ITU resolution (althoug it was only in a footnote). The recommendation was to enhance collaboration. But nothing has happened so far. To end the cold war would need a clear understanding of a division of labour. Since years the option of an ICANN-ITU MoU is discussed without any progress. Fadi and Toure had a "summit meeting" in form of a joint breakfest during the IGF in Baku in October 2012. Both sides were happy with the new level of "mutual understanding". Is this the start of a "new season"? I am not sure. It is very complex. It is not only the ITU Secretariat, it is also about "member states" and as long as member states do not have any interests in something like an ITU-ICANN peaceful coexistence on the basis of a collaborative division of labour we will see a continuation of  a harmful arm twisting. Dubai is just the next step. More will come in Geneva (May 2013), in the ITU Plenipotentiary in 2014 and in the WSIS 10+ process (which will kick start in February in Paris) until a possible WSIS III in 2015. The only thing one can hope for is that this cold war will not affect too much the individual Internet user. But also this is nowadays questionable with national governments which want to extend their "national sovereignty" into cyberspace. 
> 
> 
> Wolfgang  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee W McKnight
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 7:06 AM
> To: michael gurstein ; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: RE: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note
> from Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )
> 
> I recommend the more nuanced (?) recent Hollywood B movie -  'Cowboys and
> Aliens.'
> In case you missed it, and sorry then for giving away the plot, Cowboys, of
> the black and white hat variety, and "Indians," all join together to battle
> the space invaders ; )
> Lee
> ________________________________________
> From: michael gurstein [gurstein at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 2:26 PM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Lee W McKnight
> Subject: RE: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note
> from Tony Rutkowski   (comments welcomed :-)  )
> 
> Hmmm... Cowboys and ``Indians``... I like a good shoot-em-up especially when
> the good guys are all wearing white hats and the bad guys, black ones...
> Makes figuring out who to root for so much easier :)
> 
> M
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Lee W McKnight
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:45 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> Subject: [governance] FW: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from
> Tony Rutkowski (comments welcomed :-) )
> 
> The attachment is perhaps of interest to some, re WCIT, from old pal, and
> ex-FCC, ex-ITU, and ex-Verisigner Tony Rutkowski. ; )
> 
> Lee
> ________________________________________
> From: David Farber [dave at farber.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:21 PM
> To: ip
> Subject: [IP] ITU gone wild -- an invited (by me) note from Tony Rutkowski
> (comments welcomed :-)  )
> 
> From: Tony Rutkowski <trutkowski at netmagic.com>
> Subject: Re: Any chance
> Date: November 21, 2012 9:57:20 AM EST
> To: "DAVID J. FARBER" <farber at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: trutkowski at netmagic.com
> 
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Does this do it for you?
> It should be popular. :-)
> 
> For noting, I ran the secretariat
> for the last WCIT, and helped
> the Secretary-General at the
> time develop and negotiate
> the provisions in his hometown
> of Melbourne.  I also led the
> ITU-T cybersecurity standards
> group over the past four years.
> The turf is all too familiar.
> 
> cheers,
> tony
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