[governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones Went Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg

Sun Nov 18 13:36:31 EST 2012

Mike,

the interventions that make most sense IMO are those that seek to solve a problem where the stakeholders for that problem meet. APWG, MAAWG, IETF, ICANN, national legislatures, national consumer-defense instances, regional coordination fora like CITEL, and so on.

The IGF is particularly useful to detect blank issue areas not yet served and to start dialog among stakeholders. If a new mechanism or organization is needed they will have to create it. The IGF has not yielded that many results of this kind, partly because it turns out that problems identified by some participants already have a home and are taken there, partly because the stage in which they call for something new of this kind has not yet been achieved, and a couple other reasons. 

Coming back to the specific issue of concern (not on the subject line) of consumer response from global email service providers, this one is particularly thorny because consumer rights are defined and enforced differently in different national legislations, oftentimes the firms are not in dramatic deviation of their ToS (admittedly too open in many cases), and consumer expectations may be far higher than what the actual ToS and legislation support. 

Suresh has said almost all else I would say.

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Desde: michael gurstein [gurstein at gmail.com]
Enviado el: sábado, 17 de noviembre de 2012 16:57
Hasta: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Pranesh Prakash'
Asunto: RE: [governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones Went Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg

And back to you Alejandro... what interventions would make sense and what
wouldn't (and who and how...

M

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Michael,

don't forget layers.

Alejandro Pisanty

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[gurstein at gmail.com] Enviado el: sábado, 17 de noviembre de 2012 15:47
Hasta: 'Pranesh Prakash'; governance at lists.igcaucus.org
Asunto: RE: [governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones Went
Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg

Those are good points and serious issues Pranesh.

I think what this discussion indicates is that there is a need for a nuanced
approach to the issue of standard setting/regulation at the global level
including taking into consideration how this will (or could) impact at the
national level.  What is not needed and particularly from CS is an
uncritical adherence to the "hands off the Internet/free the Internet"
position being advocated by some governments and many (self-interested)
corporations, ignoring the need for various kinds of interventions as a
support to various issues of significance from the perspective of a  global
public interest.

A problem with the approach currently being advocated by many is that there
is no opportunity for reflection as to what issues could and should be
addressed and in what fora, and which should not.  Being stampeded over an
anti-governance "no-regulation" libertarian cliff  is not I think, in the
interests of most whether in Developed or in Less Developed Countries.

M

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From: Pranesh Prakash [mailto:pranesh at cis-india.org]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 1:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [MobileActive Discuss] Why Cell Phones Went
Dead After Hurricane Sandy- Bloomberg

michael gurstein [2012-11-17 19:30]:
> Who can we rely on to act in support of the (global) public
> interest--IBM, Google, Facebook, AT&T, the USG, "the market"..?

In India we face the opposite problem of that described by Susan Crawford.
Through the ISP Licence, the UAS Licence, the Telecom licence, the
government has armed itself with powers against the ISPs and telecom
companies that it does not have under any law.

For instance, there is a stricture in those licences against "bulk
encryption" of more than 40bits without key escrow, despite the government
requiring 128 bit encryption by all banks in another law.
There is a requirement of having a black box room on their premises with
access to all communications, though blanket surveillance (under some
readings of Indian law and the judicial interpretation of the right to
privacy as a fundamental right) is not permissible.  Importantly, if it
doesn't harm their bottom line, these companies have no incentive to not
cooperate.

While we should avoid moving to a state of 'no regulation' (competition law,
consumer law, etc., should apply), in many countries, especially LDCs and
developing countries, we are on the opposite side of the spectrum.  Please
spare a thought for developing countries too ;)

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