[governance] Meeting with EC/EP: short report
Suresh Ramasubramanian
suresh at hserus.net
Mon Nov 12 10:48:44 EST 2012
Amusing as usual
1. The Budapest convention is entirely voluntary for a country to adopt, and to choose what parts of it to adopt. For example a part of the convention adopted by various EU countries to act on racist and neo nazi content is explicitly not ratified by the USA as it conflicts with first amendment protections for personal speech. It explicitly features dual criminality before any international enforcement can use its mechanisms. So hardly "plurilateral rich countries forcing something on the whole world"
2. The OECD has produced a series of best practice documents and recommendations on cybercrime. With, believe it or not, substantial industry and civil society involvement Again, nothing that is being forced on the world by rich countries.
If you can stop mixing politics and policy, you might even stop making such specious comparisons between these and the CRAP, oh sorry, CIRP and similar grasping and venal power plays aimed at control (which seems to pass for governance in some circles, too bad)
Oh well, I can hope.
--srs (iPad)
On 12-Nov-2012, at 20:23, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
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> On Monday 12 November 2012 05:42 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
>> Parminder and Marie Georges,
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>> The meeting was organized as a round table where everyone take the floor for a short time to express him/herself. All was about the internet governance but we didn’t take a specific item, and discussed it.
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>> As for the “Intermediate international standards”, they were presented as a third layer between the international general principles and the national laws. They described it to be more simplified and more acceptable for all the countries so that they may be applied by all at the national level. My reaction to this concept was that I find it is a good idea to elaborate more simple and more precise standards, but I don’t think it will be a third layer; the so-called “intermediate standards” can only be the same layer as the international general principles since they will be international agreements, and their use at the national level will still depend on the willing of the governments.
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> Dear Tijani,
>
> Thanks for the clarification. I mostly agree with your views. However, there may be some use in developing some more practical and accessible principles for IG from larger accepted international principles like human rights. Such principles can directly inform public policies related to the Internet, which in turn can help shape the development of the Internet as per global public interest, and not the interests of the most powerful.
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> However, the real issue is; how should these Internet principles , or principles for Internet related policies, (the so called third layer) be developed. Should plurilateral bodies of rich countires do it for the whole world, as OECD and CoE have done recently . Or should this be done through processes that equally involve all countries, with greatest possible participation of all stakeholders. I would expect civil society, and IGC, to take a clear view on this issue.
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> parminder
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>> Tijani BEN JEMAA
>> Executive Director
>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
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>> De : parminder [mailto:parminder at itforchange.net]
>> Envoyé : dimanche 11 novembre 2012 22:00
>> À : governance at lists.igcaucus.org; tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn
>> Objet : Re: [governance] Meeting with EC/EP: short report
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>> On Saturday 10 November 2012 03:32 AM, tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn wrote:
>> Dear all,
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>> Sorry for the late report: No Internet access in the meeting rooms.
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>> snip
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>> The European parliamentarians expressed their support to all those issues, and introduced a concept of intermediate international standards accepted by all and easily applicable, to be between the international general principals such as the human rights declaration and the national laws.
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>> Very interested to know what kind of international standards they were referring to that fall in between " general principals such as the human rights declaration and the national laws". Can someone throw some light on the nuances involved here.
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>> parminder
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>> Dioplo Foundation emphasized the importance of the Governments’ commitment to support the IGF and its multi-stakeholder model
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>> The meeting was held in a warm and friendly ambience.
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>> Y.J. PARK and Tijani BEN JEMAA
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>> Tijani BEN JEMAA
>> Executive Director
>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations
>> Phone: +216 70 825 231
>> Mobile: +216 98 330 114
>> Fax: +216 70 825 231
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