<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Amusing as usual</div><div><br></div><div>1. The Budapest convention is entirely voluntary for a country to adopt, and to choose what parts of it to adopt. For example a part of the convention adopted by various EU countries to act on racist and neo nazi content is explicitly not ratified by the USA as it conflicts with first amendment protections for personal speech. It explicitly features dual criminality before any international enforcement can use its mechanisms. So hardly "plurilateral rich countries forcing something on the whole world"</div><div><br></div><div>2. The OECD has produced a series of best practice documents and recommendations on cybercrime. With, believe it or not, substantial industry and civil society involvement Again, nothing that is being forced on the world by rich countries.</div><div><br></div><div>If you can stop mixing politics and policy, you might even stop making such specious comparisons between these and the CRAP, oh sorry, CIRP and similar grasping and venal power plays aimed at control (which seems to pass for governance in some circles, too bad)</div><div><br></div><div>Oh well, I can hope.</div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 12-Nov-2012, at 20:23, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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and Marie Georges,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">The meeting was organized as a round table
where everyone take
the floor for a short time to express him/herself. All was
about the internet
governance but we didn’t take a specific item, and discussed
it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">As for the “Intermediate international
standards”, they were
presented as a third layer between the international general
principles and the
national laws. They described it to be more simplified and
more acceptable for
all the countries so that they may be applied by all at the
national level. My
reaction to this concept was that I find it is a good idea
to elaborate more
simple and more precise standards, but I don’t think it will
be a third layer; the
so-called “intermediate standards” can only be the same
layer as the international
general principles since they will be international
agreements, and their use
at the national level will still depend on the willing of
the governments. </span></p>
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Dear Tijani,<br>
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Thanks for the clarification. I mostly agree with your views.
However, there may be some use in developing some more practical and
accessible principles for IG from larger accepted international
principles like human rights. Such principles can directly inform
public policies related to the Internet, which in turn can help
shape the development of the Internet as per global public interest,
and not the interests of the most powerful. <br>
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However, the real issue is; how should these Internet principles ,
or principles for Internet related policies, (the so called third
layer) be developed. Should plurilateral bodies of rich countires do
it for the whole world, as OECD and CoE have done recently . Or
should this be done through processes that equally involve all
countries, with greatest possible participation of all stakeholders.
I would expect civil society, and IGC, to take a clear view on this
issue.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</a>] <br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> dimanche 11 novembre 2012 22:00<br>
<b>À :</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [governance] Meeting with EC/EP:
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Saturday 10 November 2012 03:32 AM, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@planet.tn</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<br>
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Sorry for the late report: No Internet access in the meeting
rooms.<br>
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snip<br>
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The European parliamentarians expressed their support to all
those issues, and
introduced a concept of intermediate international standards
accepted by all
and easily applicable, to be between the international
general principals such
as the human rights declaration and the national laws. <o:p></o:p></p>
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Very interested to know what kind of international standards
they were
referring to that fall in between " general principals such as
the human rights
declaration and the national laws". Can someone throw some
light on the
nuances involved here.<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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Dioplo Foundation emphasized the importance of the
Governments’ commitment to
support the IGF and its multi-stakeholder model<br>
<br>
The meeting was held in a warm and friendly ambience.<br>
<br>
Y.J. PARK and Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
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Tijani BEN JEMAA<br>
Executive Director<br>
Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations<br>
Phone: +216 70 825 231<br>
Mobile: +216 98 330 114<br>
Fax: +216 70 825 231<br>
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