[governance] Fwd: IGF 2012 - Bilateral meeting

Izumi AIZU iza at anr.org
Fri Nov 2 11:02:53 EDT 2012 

Hi,
So far some 12 people on this list indicated that they want to join
this meeting.

Given limited resources myself can spend for the remaining hour before taking
flight to Baku, only 13 hours from now including my sleep tonight, I
am not going
to try to find any large room for this meeting. If someone on this list takes
the responsibility, negotiate with either the local host or IGF
secretariat, that will
be great.

Otherwise, I still suggest that we will be around six people. I feel at least
one of co-cos should be there even this is an informal meeting. The leaves
five. I like to consult with my colleague Sala to make the final selection,
as coordinators duty. Sorry guys, but sometimes we need to make a
practical choice in an imperfect manner.

I also understand that the organizer is European Commission and the European
Parliament, not us, we are just invited as guests, and they do have other
channels for civil societies, NGOs, etc, outside IGC, which is, for me perfectly
fine.

The meeting is scheduled on Nov 8, but they do not plan to announce this
publicly. I am aware the even putting this on to his list has certain
announcement
effect, but, in the interest of openness, at least within IGC, I put it here.

Similar meeting happened in Kenya last year with US government. We so far
have received no invitation from USG or any other parties, but as far as I am
concerned, being the servant of the IGC, I am happy to liaise, or coordinate.

I love the diversity, different ideas and positions, and am still
happy to coordinate.
But I also ask you guys to sometimes share the responsibility and burdens
collectively, or at least understand these sometimes delicate and
difficult limitations
we all have.

best, and see you there for those coming, and see you there online participant
though they are labeled "remote", let's feel closer together.

izumi





2012/11/2 Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com>:
> Andrea, thanks for your input. I the strong response to this invitation can
> be seen as giving importance to this exchange. I understood the meeting to
> be a 'sampling' for idea exchange, not a 'representation'. Possibly this
> kind of invitation could be made more informally (not on the list) to avoid
> misunderstanding and overwhelming requests to attend. If anything, I think
> tension has been fostered by good intentions to be inclusive in what is
> meant to be a small, diverse brainstorming session.
>
> Perhaps we should pick up on Andrea's suggestion to request a larger meeting
> for brainstorming? Positive energy for communication is important.
>
> Safe travels,
> Ginger
>
> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>
> VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
> Diplo Foundation
> Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
> www.diplomacy.edu/ig
>
>
>
>
> On 2 November 2012 02:30, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sauces for the goose, and for the gander :)
>>
>> Very well put - and I share your skepticism about "civil society
>> consensus", informed consensus at any rate, for an audience that is larger
>> than the typical igov involved civ soc organization crowd
>>
>> --srs (iPad)
>>
>> On 02-Nov-2012, at 12:02, Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:
>>
>> (Speaking with the "European Commission official" hat here).
>>
>> Let's not blow things out of proportion. There is no attempt at "imposing
>> false notions of representations" for the simple reason that in the dark
>> corridors of Mordor, I mean Brussels, we are perfectly aware "civil society"
>> is a rather fluid concept and it is difficult to identify "spokesperson" or
>> "representatives" (which, incidentally, also means that when any of the
>> various persons or organisations in the "civil society" galaxy claims to
>> "represent" anything, our usual reaction is one of skepticism. You can't
>> have it both ways I guess).
>>
>> Frankly,anyway, I do not quite understand why it is ok for the IGC to have
>> "co-coordinators" which de facto speak on behalf of the IGC in several
>> occasions, and for members of this list to choose a speaker that will de
>> facto represent them at the opening session (if I understood well); but when
>> other parties ask whether there are NGOs et al that would like to have an
>> informal chat with people from the European Commission and the European
>> Parliament, all hell breaks loose.
>>
>> But I guess that since the EU's final plan is to take over the Internet
>> and impose automatic translation of all websites in 22 languages, we can't
>> possibly be trusted.
>>
>> More practically, if you can find a venue large enough for an open meeting
>> (we couldn't) why not propose a larger set-up?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andrea
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> 5 or 6 people, max? Ridiculous. This is an inherently bad, undemocratic
>>> method.
>>>
>>> Governments such as the EC try to impose false notions of
>>> “representation” on civil society, by seeking a few “spokespersons” or
>>> “representatives.” Their only real object is to make their job easier. We
>>> should decline to cooperate with this political version of artificial
>>> scarcity, and just insist on an open meeting. I am serious. If you are so
>>> flattered that they asked for your opinion, but go along with their attempt
>>> to reduce civil society to a few privileged voices, you are completely
>>> missing the point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Following the one in Nairobi last year, European commission and European
>>> Parliament
>>>
>>> people want to hold an informal meeting with civil society members and
>>>
>>> asked Wolfgang to coordinate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since this is an informal meeting with limited space, we need to find and
>>> decide who will
>>>
>>> be there. Around  5 or 6 people, max.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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