[governance] Fwd: IGF 2012 - Bilateral meeting

[Ginger Paque]

Andrea, thanks for your input. I the strong response to this invitation can
be seen as giving importance to this exchange. I understood the meeting to
be a 'sampling' for idea exchange, not a 'representation'. Possibly this
kind of invitation could be made more informally (not on the list) to avoid
misunderstanding and overwhelming requests to attend. If anything, I think
tension has been fostered by good intentions to be inclusive in what is
meant to be a small, diverse brainstorming session.

Perhaps we should pick up on Andrea's suggestion to request a larger
meeting for brainstorming? Positive energy for communication is important.

Safe travels,
Ginger

Ginger (Virginia) Paque

VirginiaP at diplomacy.edu
Diplo Foundation
Internet Governance Capacity Building Programme
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On 2 November 2012 02:30, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

> Sauces for the goose, and for the gander :)
>
> Very well put - and I share your skepticism about "civil society
> consensus", informed consensus at any rate, for an audience that is larger
> than the typical igov involved civ soc organization crowd
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 02-Nov-2012, at 12:02, Andrea Glorioso <andrea at digitalpolicy.it> wrote:
>
> (Speaking with the "European Commission official" hat here).
>
> Let's not blow things out of proportion. There is no attempt at "imposing
> false notions of representations" for the simple reason that in the dark
> corridors of Mordor, I mean Brussels, we are perfectly aware "civil
> society" is a rather fluid concept and it is difficult to identify
> "spokesperson" or "representatives" (which, incidentally, also means that
> when any of the various persons or organisations in the "civil society"
> galaxy claims to "represent" anything, our usual reaction is one of
> skepticism. You can't have it both ways I guess).
>
> Frankly,anyway, I do not quite understand why it is ok for the IGC to have
> "co-coordinators" which *de facto* speak on behalf of the IGC in several
> occasions, and for members of this list to choose a speaker that will *de
> facto* represent them at the opening session (if I understood well); but
> when other parties ask whether there are NGOs et al that would like to have
> an *informal* chat with people from the European Commission and the
> European Parliament, all hell breaks loose.
>
> But I guess that since the EU's final plan is to take over the Internet
> and impose automatic translation of all websites in 22 languages, we can't
> possibly be trusted.
>
> More practically, if you can find a venue large enough for an open meeting
> (we couldn't) why not propose a larger set-up?
>
> Best,
>
> Andrea
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>
>>  5 or 6 people, max? Ridiculous. This is an inherently bad, undemocratic
>> method. ****
>>
>> Governments such as the EC try to impose false notions of
>> “representation” on civil society, by seeking a few “spokespersons” or
>> “representatives.” Their only real object is to make their job easier. We
>> should decline to cooperate with this political version of artificial
>> scarcity, and just insist on an open meeting. I am serious. If you are so
>> flattered that they asked for your opinion, but go along with their attempt
>> to reduce civil society to a few privileged voices, you are completely
>> missing the point. ** **
>>
>> ** **
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>> ** **
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>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:****
>>
>> Following the one in Nairobi last year, European commission and
>> European Parliament ****
>>
>> people want to hold an informal meeting with civil society members and **
>> **
>>
>> asked Wolfgang to coordinate.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Since this is an informal meeting with limited space, we need to find and
>> decide who will****
>>
>> be there. Around  5 or 6 people, max.****
>>
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