[governance] MAG meeting, open to observers, Morning - before Coffee Break, May 16

Wed May 16 07:27:44 EDT 2012

Thank you again Izumi.
And thank you for your support of developing countries - yesterday too :-)
Deirdre

On 16 May 2012 05:55, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:

> May 16
> MAG Meeting,
> 9:30
> MAG started with the self-introduction of new MAG members.
>
>
> Chengetai
> Non-MAG members – primarily as observers
> non-MAG members to participate in groups,
>
> Aysha
> welcome – in person
> Chatham House rule – for small groups
> welcoming in email exchange-  confusing
> online groups – not include non-MAG members
>
> Mervi
> in the agenda –talk about Ministerial meeting
>
> Chengetai
> Ministerial meeting is NOT IGF event as such, it’s totally up to the
> Chair, but it’s a side event that happens before
>
> Chair
> ask MAG members to concentrate on IGF
>
> Bill Drake
> 1)- working groups – participated as non-MAG members, continue the
> tradition, not agree entirely – online discussion
> important for inclusion
>
> 2) discussion about workshops – how many etc
>
>
> Mark Carbell
> Take input of CSTD WG Report
>
>
> Izumi
> I support what Bill said – for non-MAG members
> What is important is the substance of the work, quality, and invite
> non-MAG members on their specific areas of expertise to participate
> (online, as well)
>
> Also for plenary of MAG, in addition to the first and last part of the
> session where observers could take the floor, I would like to suggest
> that during the MAG discussions, if seemed appropriate by MAG member,
> with Chair’s permission, to let non-MAG members to take the floor, on
> specifics
>
> Anriette
> discuss the overall theme
> Sweden – around Human rights –
> need to find some modality to pull that together
> It is important to get the big picture – before breaking up
> Mark’s comment on CSTD WG, on document, outcome
> I volunteer Taking Stock and SOP
>
> Chengetai
> For the Swedish
> For CSTD WG, tomorrow, give briefing – tomorrow, 4 pm
> For reading of types of workshop, good idea
> to review the main sessions, we can – tomorrow morning on each item as we
> go
>
> Chris
> number of workshops – Bill’s point is important
> if we have more workshops – crash more
> - we could not get speakers we want because the speaker was also
> speaking at the same time in different session
>
> Chengetai – we can have max of 13 workshops concurrently, but only 4
> concurrent sessions in a day
>
> Paul Wilson
> quality of workshops, we can’t guarantee the result
> we can rely on the collective judgment
> level of commitment of many workshops wasn’t good enough, to give
> confidence – not serious approach taken,
> relevance is important – some content is not relevant to IGF
>  not about Internet Governance, but ICT only – not accept those
> we should trim down, to make sure we have high quality
> appeared to be repeated, not convincing
>
> Chengetai
> I do encourage WGs if they feel that WG does not make grade, delete them
> Opening session – prerogative of the host country and UN, we can
> listen to your comments
>
> Vladimr – relevance is not problematic, but some are incomplete
> Merging is second important
>
> Jeff
> - Eliminate some duplication
> focus be incompleteness and merging
> focus on Main Session and Feder workshops – for schedule reason
>
> Bill Drake
> Support what Paul said
> One individual submitted 8 proposals
>  CEO of Apple and IBM – skeptical
>  putting some place-markers
> respect bottom-up process and inclusiveness
>
> Felix
> Main theme – how was this arrived?
> Internet Governance for sustainable human, economic and social development
>
> Chengetai
> The theme came MAG after long discussion on consensus
>
>
> Izumi
> Writing good program is one thing, implementing what they propose is
> another.
>
> Somewhere in-between
> Have there been ways/works by Secretariat, between now and November
> before- if so how?  Is there also ways for MAG members to work with
> the WS organizers, as well as
>
> I like to hear non MAG members here on how to organize Main Session –
> before we discuss about this
>
> Chris,
> changing the title, etc, is not our job
>
> Chengetai
> set number of workshops happen at the meeting
> if they did not meet the criteria, make comments and communicated to
> the organizer, to modify
> we are not going to change the substantive part of workshops
>
> Nurani
> Paul’s comments were good
> Role of MAG – to look at the relevance
>
> Jimpson Olphe
>
> Yuria
> identify sub-themes in each Chapter/Theme
> Some workshops did not reflect the global theme – what to do?
>
> Chengetai – Feeder workshops have to answer the
>
>
> Anriette
> Merge-
> broadening participation
> narrow or broad difinition of Internet Governance
>
>
> Collins, MAG, Uganda
> concern – number of workshops
> suggest Secretariat to make assessment team – of all workshops
>  merge or put forward
>
> Paul
> Suggest to be reasonably ruthless
> on Anriette’s point
> provisional acceptance is good
> but ask confirmed speakers – obliged –
>  to eliminate Ghost speaker’s list
> detailed session structure,
> consistant approach for orange and green proposals
> MAG member can, but not MAG as a whole to go individually proponents
> that is too hands on
>
>
> Chengetai – do we need another assessment?
> Agenda – good
> Workshops under multiple themes – if they may not apply to current
> themes, but they may apply to alternate theme
>
>
> Izumi
> on merging – some caution – as I was– asked to merge the workshop by
> MAG - before
>
> Some workshops ended up too many speakers, no real time for
> discussion, among the panel, and with participants
>
> Lower grade, but room for improvement (without interfering the substance)
> On diversity – especially increasing participation from developing
> countries, measures should be taken with big picture
>  no real assessment yet done
>
> Bill Drake
> Secretariat to take work of objective analysis – not right to burden
> Secretariat on that workload
>
> Mark
>
> Qusai
> Not eliminate some proposals, but help improve the quality
>
> Remote – Zahid
> focus on relevance, avoid overwrap
>
>
> Mervi
> Greatful for Baku Host to accommodate many rooms
> As other organizations – Diplo or other, for capacity building, to
> provide basic information on capacity building
> Adpot soft approach for selection –
>
> Lucida
> on merging – were they given the right to decline?
>
> Chengetai
> since we have rooms, we do not have to force
>
> Nurani
> Stakeholder representing Swedish Government, like to emphasise on
> strong focus on Openness and Human Right – welcome the proposal of
> Bertrarand, to have roundtable, on human right
> Option of Raportour
>
> vladimr
> Support Izumi to hear non MAG members
> we should also discuss capacity building
>
> Bill Drake
> On background paper – it was not crystal clear that this is required
> at the front end. Some don’t understand what is expected, encouraged
> or mandatory.
> It’s a matter of balance.
>
> Aysha
> these discussions, especially from new MAG members, are helpful when
> we go into small WGs.
>
> Sanja
>
> Peter
> background paper – necessary to have background paper
> elimination – academic approach  - loosely
> this is not a job-selection or university ranking
> it’s a forum
>
> Lian Guo, MAG members, from China
> I agree with need for more participation from developing countries
> read few proposals from China
>
> Mark
> UK IGF – to outreach
> Conditionality approval
>  anticipating further shift of process beyond this MAG process, not
> anticipated
>
> Chengetai
> when you come back, you will give secretariat, list of workshops – IF
> they have more gender balance, geographic balance – that is easy for
> secretariat to check
>
>
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