Thank you again Izumi.<div>And thank you for your support of developing countries - yesterday too :-)</div><div>Deirdre<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 May 2012 05:55, Izumi AIZU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:iza@anr.org" target="_blank">iza@anr.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">May 16<br>
MAG Meeting,<br>
9:30<br>
MAG started with the self-introduction of new MAG members.<br>
<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
Non-MAG members – primarily as observers<br>
non-MAG members to participate in groups,<br>
<br>
Aysha<br>
welcome – in person<br>
Chatham House rule – for small groups<br>
welcoming in email exchange- confusing<br>
online groups – not include non-MAG members<br>
<br>
Mervi<br>
in the agenda –talk about Ministerial meeting<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
Ministerial meeting is NOT IGF event as such, it’s totally up to the<br>
Chair, but it’s a side event that happens before<br>
<br>
Chair<br>
ask MAG members to concentrate on IGF<br>
<br>
Bill Drake<br>
1)- working groups – participated as non-MAG members, continue the<br>
tradition, not agree entirely – online discussion<br>
important for inclusion<br>
<br>
2) discussion about workshops – how many etc<br>
<br>
<br>
Mark Carbell<br>
Take input of CSTD WG Report<br>
<br>
<br>
Izumi<br>
I support what Bill said – for non-MAG members<br>
What is important is the substance of the work, quality, and invite<br>
non-MAG members on their specific areas of expertise to participate<br>
(online, as well)<br>
<br>
Also for plenary of MAG, in addition to the first and last part of the<br>
session where observers could take the floor, I would like to suggest<br>
that during the MAG discussions, if seemed appropriate by MAG member,<br>
with Chair’s permission, to let non-MAG members to take the floor, on<br>
specifics<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
discuss the overall theme<br>
Sweden – around Human rights –<br>
need to find some modality to pull that together<br>
It is important to get the big picture – before breaking up<br>
Mark’s comment on CSTD WG, on document, outcome<br>
I volunteer Taking Stock and SOP<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
For the Swedish<br>
For CSTD WG, tomorrow, give briefing – tomorrow, 4 pm<br>
For reading of types of workshop, good idea<br>
to review the main sessions, we can – tomorrow morning on each item as we go<br>
<br>
Chris<br>
number of workshops – Bill’s point is important<br>
if we have more workshops – crash more<br>
- we could not get speakers we want because the speaker was also<br>
speaking at the same time in different session<br>
<br>
Chengetai – we can have max of 13 workshops concurrently, but only 4<br>
concurrent sessions in a day<br>
<br>
Paul Wilson<br>
quality of workshops, we can’t guarantee the result<br>
we can rely on the collective judgment<br>
level of commitment of many workshops wasn’t good enough, to give<br>
confidence – not serious approach taken,<br>
relevance is important – some content is not relevant to IGF<br>
not about Internet Governance, but ICT only – not accept those<br>
we should trim down, to make sure we have high quality<br>
appeared to be repeated, not convincing<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
I do encourage WGs if they feel that WG does not make grade, delete them<br>
Opening session – prerogative of the host country and UN, we can<br>
listen to your comments<br>
<br>
Vladimr – relevance is not problematic, but some are incomplete<br>
Merging is second important<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
- Eliminate some duplication<br>
focus be incompleteness and merging<br>
focus on Main Session and Feder workshops – for schedule reason<br>
<br>
Bill Drake<br>
Support what Paul said<br>
One individual submitted 8 proposals<br>
CEO of Apple and IBM – skeptical<br>
putting some place-markers<br>
respect bottom-up process and inclusiveness<br>
<br>
Felix<br>
Main theme – how was this arrived?<br>
Internet Governance for sustainable human, economic and social development<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
The theme came MAG after long discussion on consensus<br>
<br>
<br>
Izumi<br>
Writing good program is one thing, implementing what they propose is another.<br>
<br>
Somewhere in-between<br>
Have there been ways/works by Secretariat, between now and November<br>
before- if so how? Is there also ways for MAG members to work with<br>
the WS organizers, as well as<br>
<br>
I like to hear non MAG members here on how to organize Main Session –<br>
before we discuss about this<br>
<br>
Chris,<br>
changing the title, etc, is not our job<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
set number of workshops happen at the meeting<br>
if they did not meet the criteria, make comments and communicated to<br>
the organizer, to modify<br>
we are not going to change the substantive part of workshops<br>
<br>
Nurani<br>
Paul’s comments were good<br>
Role of MAG – to look at the relevance<br>
<br>
Jimpson Olphe<br>
<br>
Yuria<br>
identify sub-themes in each Chapter/Theme<br>
Some workshops did not reflect the global theme – what to do?<br>
<br>
Chengetai – Feeder workshops have to answer the<br>
<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
Merge-<br>
broadening participation<br>
narrow or broad difinition of Internet Governance<br>
<br>
<br>
Collins, MAG, Uganda<br>
concern – number of workshops<br>
suggest Secretariat to make assessment team – of all workshops<br>
merge or put forward<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
Suggest to be reasonably ruthless<br>
on Anriette’s point<br>
provisional acceptance is good<br>
but ask confirmed speakers – obliged –<br>
to eliminate Ghost speaker’s list<br>
detailed session structure,<br>
consistant approach for orange and green proposals<br>
MAG member can, but not MAG as a whole to go individually proponents<br>
that is too hands on<br>
<br>
<br>
Chengetai – do we need another assessment?<br>
Agenda – good<br>
Workshops under multiple themes – if they may not apply to current<br>
themes, but they may apply to alternate theme<br>
<br>
<br>
Izumi<br>
on merging – some caution – as I was– asked to merge the workshop by<br>
MAG - before<br>
<br>
Some workshops ended up too many speakers, no real time for<br>
discussion, among the panel, and with participants<br>
<br>
Lower grade, but room for improvement (without interfering the substance)<br>
On diversity – especially increasing participation from developing<br>
countries, measures should be taken with big picture<br>
no real assessment yet done<br>
<br>
Bill Drake<br>
Secretariat to take work of objective analysis – not right to burden<br>
Secretariat on that workload<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
Qusai<br>
Not eliminate some proposals, but help improve the quality<br>
<br>
Remote – Zahid<br>
focus on relevance, avoid overwrap<br>
<br>
<br>
Mervi<br>
Greatful for Baku Host to accommodate many rooms<br>
As other organizations – Diplo or other, for capacity building, to<br>
provide basic information on capacity building<br>
Adpot soft approach for selection –<br>
<br>
Lucida<br>
on merging – were they given the right to decline?<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
since we have rooms, we do not have to force<br>
<br>
Nurani<br>
Stakeholder representing Swedish Government, like to emphasise on<br>
strong focus on Openness and Human Right – welcome the proposal of<br>
Bertrarand, to have roundtable, on human right<br>
Option of Raportour<br>
<br>
vladimr<br>
Support Izumi to hear non MAG members<br>
we should also discuss capacity building<br>
<br>
Bill Drake<br>
On background paper – it was not crystal clear that this is required<br>
at the front end. Some don’t understand what is expected, encouraged<br>
or mandatory.<br>
It’s a matter of balance.<br>
<br>
Aysha<br>
these discussions, especially from new MAG members, are helpful when<br>
we go into small WGs.<br>
<br>
Sanja<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
background paper – necessary to have background paper<br>
elimination – academic approach - loosely<br>
this is not a job-selection or university ranking<br>
it’s a forum<br>
<br>
Lian Guo, MAG members, from China<br>
I agree with need for more participation from developing countries<br>
read few proposals from China<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
UK IGF – to outreach<br>
Conditionality approval<br>
anticipating further shift of process beyond this MAG process, not anticipated<br>
<br>
Chengetai<br>
when you come back, you will give secretariat, list of workshops – IF<br>
they have more gender balance, geographic balance – that is easy for<br>
secretariat to check<br>
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