[governance] MAG meeting, open to observers, Morning - before Coffee Break, May 16

Wed May 16 08:19:41 EDT 2012

Dear All,

I have placed the consolidated paper that was developed in February by the
IGC and attached here for your records and use. Thank you Izumi for the
updates.

Kind Regards,
Sala

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Deirdre Williams <
williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you again Izumi.
> And thank you for your support of developing countries - yesterday too :-)
> Deirdre
>
> On 16 May 2012 05:55, Izumi AIZU <iza at anr.org> wrote:
>
>> May 16
>> MAG Meeting,
>> 9:30
>> MAG started with the self-introduction of new MAG members.
>>
>>
>> Chengetai
>> Non-MAG members – primarily as observers
>> non-MAG members to participate in groups,
>>
>> Aysha
>> welcome – in person
>> Chatham House rule – for small groups
>> welcoming in email exchange-  confusing
>> online groups – not include non-MAG members
>>
>> Mervi
>> in the agenda –talk about Ministerial meeting
>>
>> Chengetai
>> Ministerial meeting is NOT IGF event as such, it’s totally up to the
>> Chair, but it’s a side event that happens before
>>
>> Chair
>> ask MAG members to concentrate on IGF
>>
>> Bill Drake
>> 1)- working groups – participated as non-MAG members, continue the
>> tradition, not agree entirely – online discussion
>> important for inclusion
>>
>> 2) discussion about workshops – how many etc
>>
>>
>> Mark Carbell
>> Take input of CSTD WG Report
>>
>>
>> Izumi
>> I support what Bill said – for non-MAG members
>> What is important is the substance of the work, quality, and invite
>> non-MAG members on their specific areas of expertise to participate
>> (online, as well)
>>
>> Also for plenary of MAG, in addition to the first and last part of the
>> session where observers could take the floor, I would like to suggest
>> that during the MAG discussions, if seemed appropriate by MAG member,
>> with Chair’s permission, to let non-MAG members to take the floor, on
>> specifics
>>
>> Anriette
>> discuss the overall theme
>> Sweden – around Human rights –
>> need to find some modality to pull that together
>> It is important to get the big picture – before breaking up
>> Mark’s comment on CSTD WG, on document, outcome
>> I volunteer Taking Stock and SOP
>>
>> Chengetai
>> For the Swedish
>> For CSTD WG, tomorrow, give briefing – tomorrow, 4 pm
>> For reading of types of workshop, good idea
>> to review the main sessions, we can – tomorrow morning on each item as we
>> go
>>
>> Chris
>> number of workshops – Bill’s point is important
>> if we have more workshops – crash more
>> - we could not get speakers we want because the speaker was also
>> speaking at the same time in different session
>>
>> Chengetai – we can have max of 13 workshops concurrently, but only 4
>> concurrent sessions in a day
>>
>> Paul Wilson
>> quality of workshops, we can’t guarantee the result
>> we can rely on the collective judgment
>> level of commitment of many workshops wasn’t good enough, to give
>> confidence – not serious approach taken,
>> relevance is important – some content is not relevant to IGF
>>  not about Internet Governance, but ICT only – not accept those
>> we should trim down, to make sure we have high quality
>> appeared to be repeated, not convincing
>>
>> Chengetai
>> I do encourage WGs if they feel that WG does not make grade, delete them
>> Opening session – prerogative of the host country and UN, we can
>> listen to your comments
>>
>> Vladimr – relevance is not problematic, but some are incomplete
>> Merging is second important
>>
>> Jeff
>> - Eliminate some duplication
>> focus be incompleteness and merging
>> focus on Main Session and Feder workshops – for schedule reason
>>
>> Bill Drake
>> Support what Paul said
>> One individual submitted 8 proposals
>>  CEO of Apple and IBM – skeptical
>>  putting some place-markers
>> respect bottom-up process and inclusiveness
>>
>> Felix
>> Main theme – how was this arrived?
>> Internet Governance for sustainable human, economic and social development
>>
>> Chengetai
>> The theme came MAG after long discussion on consensus
>>
>>
>> Izumi
>> Writing good program is one thing, implementing what they propose is
>> another.
>>
>> Somewhere in-between
>> Have there been ways/works by Secretariat, between now and November
>> before- if so how?  Is there also ways for MAG members to work with
>> the WS organizers, as well as
>>
>> I like to hear non MAG members here on how to organize Main Session –
>> before we discuss about this
>>
>> Chris,
>> changing the title, etc, is not our job
>>
>> Chengetai
>> set number of workshops happen at the meeting
>> if they did not meet the criteria, make comments and communicated to
>> the organizer, to modify
>> we are not going to change the substantive part of workshops
>>
>> Nurani
>> Paul’s comments were good
>> Role of MAG – to look at the relevance
>>
>> Jimpson Olphe
>>
>> Yuria
>> identify sub-themes in each Chapter/Theme
>> Some workshops did not reflect the global theme – what to do?
>>
>> Chengetai – Feeder workshops have to answer the
>>
>>
>> Anriette
>> Merge-
>> broadening participation
>> narrow or broad difinition of Internet Governance
>>
>>
>> Collins, MAG, Uganda
>> concern – number of workshops
>> suggest Secretariat to make assessment team – of all workshops
>>  merge or put forward
>>
>> Paul
>> Suggest to be reasonably ruthless
>> on Anriette’s point
>> provisional acceptance is good
>> but ask confirmed speakers – obliged –
>>  to eliminate Ghost speaker’s list
>> detailed session structure,
>> consistant approach for orange and green proposals
>> MAG member can, but not MAG as a whole to go individually proponents
>> that is too hands on
>>
>>
>> Chengetai – do we need another assessment?
>> Agenda – good
>> Workshops under multiple themes – if they may not apply to current
>> themes, but they may apply to alternate theme
>>
>>
>> Izumi
>> on merging – some caution – as I was– asked to merge the workshop by
>> MAG - before
>>
>> Some workshops ended up too many speakers, no real time for
>> discussion, among the panel, and with participants
>>
>> Lower grade, but room for improvement (without interfering the substance)
>> On diversity – especially increasing participation from developing
>> countries, measures should be taken with big picture
>>  no real assessment yet done
>>
>> Bill Drake
>> Secretariat to take work of objective analysis – not right to burden
>> Secretariat on that workload
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Qusai
>> Not eliminate some proposals, but help improve the quality
>>
>> Remote – Zahid
>> focus on relevance, avoid overwrap
>>
>>
>> Mervi
>> Greatful for Baku Host to accommodate many rooms
>> As other organizations – Diplo or other, for capacity building, to
>> provide basic information on capacity building
>> Adpot soft approach for selection –
>>
>> Lucida
>> on merging – were they given the right to decline?
>>
>> Chengetai
>> since we have rooms, we do not have to force
>>
>> Nurani
>> Stakeholder representing Swedish Government, like to emphasise on
>> strong focus on Openness and Human Right – welcome the proposal of
>> Bertrarand, to have roundtable, on human right
>> Option of Raportour
>>
>> vladimr
>> Support Izumi to hear non MAG members
>> we should also discuss capacity building
>>
>> Bill Drake
>> On background paper – it was not crystal clear that this is required
>> at the front end. Some don’t understand what is expected, encouraged
>> or mandatory.
>> It’s a matter of balance.
>>
>> Aysha
>> these discussions, especially from new MAG members, are helpful when
>> we go into small WGs.
>>
>> Sanja
>>
>> Peter
>> background paper – necessary to have background paper
>> elimination – academic approach  - loosely
>> this is not a job-selection or university ranking
>> it’s a forum
>>
>> Lian Guo, MAG members, from China
>> I agree with need for more participation from developing countries
>> read few proposals from China
>>
>> Mark
>> UK IGF – to outreach
>> Conditionality approval
>>  anticipating further shift of process beyond this MAG process, not
>> anticipated
>>
>> Chengetai
>> when you come back, you will give secretariat, list of workshops – IF
>> they have more gender balance, geographic balance – that is easy for
>> secretariat to check
>>
>>
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