[governance] Remote Participation
Baudouin SCHOMBE
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Mon Mar 5 02:51:27 EST 2012
Williams actually, we are on the same wavelength but in different realities.
Anyway, I agree with you that we must formalize the concept of RP sustainably
and institutionalize this concept for the application which can be feasible in
space and time required according to standards established in each country.
Which also will capitalize on the experiences of each other in the process of
materialization of this concept.
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2012/3/3 Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
> I disagree.
> It seems to me 'participation' is available already; what we are fighting
> for now is the *real* institutionalisation of remote participation. Adam
> pointed out that remote participation is already present in the
> documentation - now we need to ensure that it is also present, as a matter
> of course, at all of the meetings.
> I accept your arguments, but they seem to me to support keeping the
> qualifier 'remote' until such times as the goal you describe below -
>
>> to have electronic participation be as seamless as possible relative to
>> in person participation
>
> has been achieved.
> Deirdre
>
> On 1 March 2012 19:02, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do understand why the request here is for "Remote Participation" but I
>> would suggest re-framing this request because what people really want is
>> Participation, not "Remote Participation" per se.
>>
>> The goal with things-internet should be to have electronic participation
>> be as seamless as possible relative to in person participation. I would
>> suggest a global find/replace to find "Remote Participation" and replace it
>> with "Participation". If not now, then in the future. A call for
>> "Participation without visas" does not seem out of line in the age of the
>> internet, but what is sought is Participation, plain and simple.
>>
>> Sent via remote email,
>> Paul Lehto, J.D.
>>
>> P.S. It seems the feeling many have had with technical problems in
>> participation left them feeling quite "remote" to the process of
>> participation. :)
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Statement is available via
>>> http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47
>>>
>>> Michael your concerns are factored in the Statement, see Paragraph [4].
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Sala
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:18 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> **
>>>>
>>>> (Coming in late, this was caught up in my gmail issues...
>>>>
>>>> I'ld like to strongly agree with Ginger in this. For me Remote
>>>> Participation is not a technical issue but rather has to do with policy. A
>>>> commitment to "RP" has a lot of implications of which the technical and
>>>> organizational are only part (and even then may be the least significant).
>>>> RP implies that the processes of discussion are structured and designed --
>>>> including their planning, set-up, execution and follow-on -- in such a way
>>>> that those who are participating remotely are equally enabled and empowered
>>>> as those who are participating f2f.
>>>>
>>>> Achieving this is a huge undertaking to my mind but one worth pursuing
>>>> both at the operational and at the policy level.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:
>>>> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Ginger Paque
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:47 AM
>>>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Adam Peake
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Remote Participation
>>>>
>>>> Adam said:
>>>>
>>>> I think it's petty to complain about technical problems with the
>>>> transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad connections happen all the
>>>> time (and if MAG members can't work out how to tell a group of people
>>>> they are having problems with a connection it perhaps says more about
>>>> them than it does about the secretariat/moderators.)
>>>>
>>>> I think that this full discussion and support for RP is very important
>>>> and exciting.
>>>>
>>>> I think that using the occasion of the recent meetings as an example
>>>> and illustration is a mistake. I agree with Adam that the tech glitches
>>>> during last week's meetings should not even be addressed--these are
>>>> obvious. Placing emphasis on tech details draws attention from the more
>>>> valid, and more important principles. I know I am repeating myself, but I
>>>> think they boil down to just one:
>>>>
>>>> RP must be institutionalized in meeting processes.
>>>>
>>>> The only serious problem I see with last week's meetings was the lack
>>>> of a remote moderator and clear processes. If RP -- and I mean remote
>>>> participation and remote engagement, not remote observation -- were an
>>>> automatic, standard part of meeting strategies and processes, the inclusion
>>>> of an onsite remote moderator would have been a given, as much as the
>>>> presence of the traditional chair and moderator. I dare to say that if one
>>>> of the members of the RPWG had been at the meetings, they might have
>>>> 'requested' to be 'allowed' to act as remote moderator. Remote moderation
>>>> and remote participation should not depend on collaboration of volunteers
>>>> and serendipity. Implementation of RP may always need the collaboration of
>>>> volunteers, and the RPWG exists as a volunteer organization, seeking the
>>>> privilege of collaborating, but the planning process should originate in
>>>> the IGF structure itself, not in the action of volunteers.
>>>>
>>>> If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the Secretariat might
>>>> ask the RPWG for collaboration, and issue a call for volunteers.
>>>>
>>>> If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the Secretariat might
>>>> include a RPWG (or other mechanism) liaison for strategy, planning and
>>>> process and instead of an endless series of ad hoc situations.
>>>>
>>>> If RP were institutionalized, Remote Hubs -- an innovation of the RPWG
>>>> catalysed by Marilia's energy and organization -- would become part of the
>>>> IGF process, not the RPWG process, would include remote hubs whenever
>>>> appropriate and would include support for regional IGFs.
>>>>
>>>> I would prefer to see a strong, clear, short statement asking that RP
>>>> be institutionalised (maybe that is not the appropriate word) as an
>>>> integral part of the IGF meeting process.
>>>>
>>>> Establishing principles and guidelines is separate process which has
>>>> been started, and should be coordinated to take advantage of, and include
>>>> the different input. It should not be done in a hurry, in response to one
>>>> frustrating meeting. Nor should one frustrating meeting opaque the progress
>>>> the IGF has made toward inclusive RP. We should use this meeting to
>>>> energize forward progress in an orderly manner. Can we form a better
>>>> strategy and focus for productive results? I think so. I have not made
>>>> comments on the existing statement, because I would re-write it completely,
>>>> with a different approach, with points I have made above.
>>>>
>>>> Is it proper/possible for me to propose an alternate text? I do not
>>>> have the sense that there is consensus for the posts I have made
>>>> previously, so I have not done so.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, again, my 2 cents. Cheers for the energy around remote
>>>> participation!
>>>>
>>>> Ginger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 February 2012 05:13, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Comment below:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Dear All,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Firstly thank you Deirdre for copying it onto word and making it
>>>>> much easier
>>>>> > to incorporate the new feedback that we received from Schombe, Jovan,
>>>>> > Anriette, Jeremy, Roland, Mariela etc.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Whilst I am copying the text onto this email, I will also place it
>>>>> on the
>>>>> > Statement Workspace as well:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > STATEMENT BY THE CIVIL SOCIETY INTERNET GOVERNANCE CAUCUS ON REMOTE
>>>>> > PARTICIPATION
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We would like to acknowledge the excellent work that the Internet
>>>>> Governance
>>>>> > Forum Remote Participation Working Group have been doing over the
>>>>> last five
>>>>> > years. We appreciate the numerous hours of sacrifice and work behind
>>>>> the
>>>>> > scenes to build remote participation to what it is today. We have
>>>>> seen how
>>>>> > whilst Technology is important, that it goes hand in hand with
>>>>> extraordinary
>>>>> > levels of sacrifice and commitment. It is this commitment that
>>>>> enables the
>>>>> > spirit of the IGF which is in sharing, dialogue, collaboration and
>>>>> > ultimately access.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We are fortunate that the Internet Governance Forum Secretariat and
>>>>> UN DESA
>>>>> > are open .and committed to continued improvements to Remote
>>>>> Participation.
>>>>> > Each year the IGF RPWG commences its operations with training of
>>>>> remote
>>>>> > moderators many weeks ahead of the meeting, where they discuss with
>>>>> remote
>>>>> > hubs and encourage participation and liaise with the Secretariat to
>>>>> make
>>>>> > remote participation a reality.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We would like to reiterate and underscore that remote participation
>>>>> is a
>>>>> > crucial part of organizing the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) and we
>>>>> > appreciate the effort to provide remote participation for the Open
>>>>> > Consultation, the Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) meetings,
>>>>> and the
>>>>> > MAG meeting this month – February 2012 – which was opened to
>>>>> observers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The IGC believes that Remote Participation (RP) should be an
>>>>> integral part
>>>>> > of Internet Governance and IGF Policy Processes. It is impossible to
>>>>> sustain
>>>>> > an inclusive global policy process without effective remote
>>>>> participation.
>>>>> > We would like to explore how we can assist in working together to
>>>>> address
>>>>> > the issues raised in 2008 by various stakeholders that have yet to be
>>>>> > addressed[1].
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The MAG and IGF Secretariats should start working with the host to
>>>>> ensure
>>>>> > that real time transcriptions are available for all sessions and not
>>>>> just
>>>>> > the Main Sessions.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> from the Nairobi chair's summary document:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The entire meeting was Webcast, with video streaming provided from
>>>>> the main session room and audio streaming provided from all workshop
>>>>> meeting rooms. All the main sessions and workshops had real time
>>>>> transcription. The text transcripts and video of all meetings were
>>>>> made available through the IGF Website."
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's petty to complain about technical problems with the
>>>>> transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad connections happen all the
>>>>> time (and if MAG members can't work out how to tell a group of people
>>>>> they are having problems with a connection it perhaps says more about
>>>>> them than it does about the secretariat/moderators.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > We would like to commend the excellent work of the technical team
>>>>> from
>>>>> > Politecnico di Torino, (The Polytechnic University of Turin) which
>>>>> was
>>>>> > originally brought by our colleague and former IGC Civil Society
>>>>> Coordinator
>>>>> > Vittorio Bertola.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > However, we would like to point out some difficulties that occurred
>>>>> with the
>>>>> > system during the open MAG meeting. On the third day, morning
>>>>> session, (the
>>>>> > second day of the open MAG meeting), remote observers were
>>>>> effectively
>>>>> > excluded because they had no access to live transcript.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Also MAG members trying to participate online had difficulty in
>>>>> contacting
>>>>> > moderators, partly because the moderators were serving more than one
>>>>> > function.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We strongly urge MAG and IGF Secretariats and ourselves to consider
>>>>> the
>>>>> > following for the future IGF organizing work and the IGF itself, and
>>>>> work
>>>>> > together to bring them about:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Ensuring equal participation between online and offline
>>>>> participants
>>>>> > through planning meetings to give online and offline participants an
>>>>> equal
>>>>> > opportunity to participate and contribute to meetings.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Ensuring that there is sufficient capacity and appropriate
>>>>> bandwidth to
>>>>> > sustain remote participation by liaising with hosts well in advance
>>>>> to
>>>>> > enable greater interactions from offline participants.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Preparing a clear comprehensive guideline for remote
>>>>> participation and
>>>>> > its moderation and post session or meeting reporting for meeting
>>>>> hosts,
>>>>> > facilitators and chairs.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Clearly advertising opportunities for RP in advance of all
>>>>> meetings,
>>>>> > with clear guidance for participants on the opportunities to engage
>>>>> through
>>>>> > RP that will be available.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ·Always assigning exclusive remote participation
>>>>> coordinator/moderators (who
>>>>> > do not have other jobs at the same time, and are responsible for
>>>>> > interactions between the meeting’s physical participants/current
>>>>> speaker,
>>>>> > the Chair and the remote participants).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Establishing a clear procedure that would encourage remote
>>>>> participants
>>>>> > to intervene. Such a system is desirable both for those physically
>>>>> present
>>>>> > in Geneva and those observing the meeting remotely.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Providing as much interactivity as possible by giving remote
>>>>> > participants to interact and engage in meetings.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Providing multiple methods – video, voice and text channel, as
>>>>> well as
>>>>> > real-time transcription and video streaming – of coverage of the
>>>>> meeting
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Enabling the meeting and remote participation through interactive
>>>>> > presentations access through RP.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Creating a select Task force or Working Group created that has
>>>>> > representatives from the Government, Private Sector and Civil
>>>>> Society that
>>>>> > is dedicated to seeing improvements of Remote Participation and to
>>>>> ensure
>>>>> > the incorporation of critical elements that have been highlighted to
>>>>> ensure
>>>>> > improved remote participation processes.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Because only limited funds are available for face- to
>>>>> -face participation,
>>>>> > this issue is crucially important to all stakeholders from all
>>>>> > constituencies who are entitled to participate in the meetings, and
>>>>> who wish
>>>>> > to do so from a remote location. Meeting Chairs also play a central
>>>>> role in
>>>>> > creating a dynamic and inclusive environment that welcomes remote
>>>>> > participation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We also encourage greater partnership between the governments and
>>>>> private
>>>>> > sector in enhancing remote participation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating tangible
>>>>> outcomes to
>>>>> > make improved, stable and sustainable remote participation a reality.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There are regions around the world where transportation is extremely
>>>>> > expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries
>>>>> and
>>>>> > territories. Remote participation was the only way that any of these
>>>>> > countries could access the IGF.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > However there is room to improve processes and create an IGF culture
>>>>> where
>>>>> > remote participation is prioritised through exploring tested
>>>>> methodology.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The appropriate technical solutions need also to be explored as well
>>>>> > bandwidth and ensuring that there is uninterrupted power supply and
>>>>> > redundancy options where backup generators are critical to maintain a
>>>>> > consistent and seamless flow. The MAG and IGF Secretariats should
>>>>> also
>>>>> > ensure that there is sufficient and dedicated bandwidth capacity to
>>>>> sustain
>>>>> > the volume of traffic from remote participation.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Aside from having the appropriate technical solutions and should also
>>>>> > include the following:-
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Outreach.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Mapping local and regional stakeholders;
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Coordinating with people on the ground significantly
>>>>> before the
>>>>> > IGF in a series of strategic roll out.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Creation of Guidelines for Meeting Chairs and Moderators
>>>>> whilst
>>>>> > noting the limitations.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Identifying how the private sector, civil society and
>>>>> governments
>>>>> > can be better involved in the remote hubs etc.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > · Encourage greater collaboration between the IGF RPWG and
>>>>> national,
>>>>> > sub regional and regional IGFs.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We also express our support of the IGF RPWG which published
>>>>> guidelines and
>>>>> > recommendations for remote participation and IGF 2011 WS-67
>>>>> participants
>>>>> > prepared a draft of e-participation principles.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ends
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ________________________________
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [1] http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/IGF_Virtual_Community
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Deirdre Williams
>>>>> > <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear Sala,
>>>>> >> I have been unavoidably out of contact all day, and am just
>>>>> catching up
>>>>> >> with reading the messages.
>>>>> >> I am not clear which document you want me to send.
>>>>> >> I have attached a word copy of my response yesterday, although from
>>>>> >> reading the discussion that has perhaps been superseded during the
>>>>> >> discussions today?
>>>>> >> Please let me know as I would be delighted to help.
>>>>> >> De
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 22 February 2012 14:15, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>>> >> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Dear Deirdre,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> As you know our initial statement was used by the civil society
>>>>> component
>>>>> >>> of the CSTDWG as advised by Marilia.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> If you could please send it in a word document that would be super
>>>>> >>> helpful and easy to put up on the Statement Workspace. We will
>>>>> also be
>>>>> >>> sending our Statement to the IGF Secretariat.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> --
>>>>> >>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT
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>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
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>>>>> William
>>>>> >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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