[governance] Remote Participation
Deirdre Williams
williams.deirdre at gmail.com
Sat Mar 3 13:12:42 EST 2012
I disagree.
It seems to me 'participation' is available already; what we are fighting
for now is the *real* institutionalisation of remote participation. Adam
pointed out that remote participation is already present in the
documentation - now we need to ensure that it is also present, as a matter
of course, at all of the meetings.
I accept your arguments, but they seem to me to support keeping the
qualifier 'remote' until such times as the goal you describe below -
> to have electronic participation be as seamless as possible relative to in
> person participation
has been achieved.
Deirdre
On 1 March 2012 19:02, Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> I do understand why the request here is for "Remote Participation" but I
> would suggest re-framing this request because what people really want is
> Participation, not "Remote Participation" per se.
>
> The goal with things-internet should be to have electronic participation
> be as seamless as possible relative to in person participation. I would
> suggest a global find/replace to find "Remote Participation" and replace it
> with "Participation". If not now, then in the future. A call for
> "Participation without visas" does not seem out of line in the age of the
> internet, but what is sought is Participation, plain and simple.
>
> Sent via remote email,
> Paul Lehto, J.D.
>
> P.S. It seems the feeling many have had with technical problems in
> participation left them feeling quite "remote" to the process of
> participation. :)
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Statement is available via
>> http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47
>>
>> Michael your concerns are factored in the Statement, see Paragraph [4].
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Sala
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:18 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> (Coming in late, this was caught up in my gmail issues...
>>>
>>> I'ld like to strongly agree with Ginger in this. For me Remote
>>> Participation is not a technical issue but rather has to do with policy. A
>>> commitment to "RP" has a lot of implications of which the technical and
>>> organizational are only part (and even then may be the least significant).
>>> RP implies that the processes of discussion are structured and designed --
>>> including their planning, set-up, execution and follow-on -- in such a way
>>> that those who are participating remotely are equally enabled and empowered
>>> as those who are participating f2f.
>>>
>>> Achieving this is a huge undertaking to my mind but one worth pursuing
>>> both at the operational and at the policy level.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:
>>> governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Ginger Paque
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:47 AM
>>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Adam Peake
>>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Remote Participation
>>>
>>> Adam said:
>>>
>>> I think it's petty to complain about technical problems with the
>>> transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad connections happen all the
>>> time (and if MAG members can't work out how to tell a group of people
>>> they are having problems with a connection it perhaps says more about
>>> them than it does about the secretariat/moderators.)
>>>
>>> I think that this full discussion and support for RP is very important
>>> and exciting.
>>>
>>> I think that using the occasion of the recent meetings as an example and
>>> illustration is a mistake. I agree with Adam that the tech glitches during
>>> last week's meetings should not even be addressed--these are obvious.
>>> Placing emphasis on tech details draws attention from the more valid, and
>>> more important principles. I know I am repeating myself, but I think they
>>> boil down to just one:
>>>
>>> RP must be institutionalized in meeting processes.
>>>
>>> The only serious problem I see with last week's meetings was the lack of
>>> a remote moderator and clear processes. If RP -- and I mean remote
>>> participation and remote engagement, not remote observation -- were an
>>> automatic, standard part of meeting strategies and processes, the inclusion
>>> of an onsite remote moderator would have been a given, as much as the
>>> presence of the traditional chair and moderator. I dare to say that if one
>>> of the members of the RPWG had been at the meetings, they might have
>>> 'requested' to be 'allowed' to act as remote moderator. Remote moderation
>>> and remote participation should not depend on collaboration of volunteers
>>> and serendipity. Implementation of RP may always need the collaboration of
>>> volunteers, and the RPWG exists as a volunteer organization, seeking the
>>> privilege of collaborating, but the planning process should originate in
>>> the IGF structure itself, not in the action of volunteers.
>>>
>>> If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the Secretariat might
>>> ask the RPWG for collaboration, and issue a call for volunteers.
>>>
>>> If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the Secretariat might
>>> include a RPWG (or other mechanism) liaison for strategy, planning and
>>> process and instead of an endless series of ad hoc situations.
>>>
>>> If RP were institutionalized, Remote Hubs -- an innovation of the RPWG
>>> catalysed by Marilia's energy and organization -- would become part of the
>>> IGF process, not the RPWG process, would include remote hubs whenever
>>> appropriate and would include support for regional IGFs.
>>>
>>> I would prefer to see a strong, clear, short statement asking that RP be
>>> institutionalised (maybe that is not the appropriate word) as an integral
>>> part of the IGF meeting process.
>>>
>>> Establishing principles and guidelines is separate process which has
>>> been started, and should be coordinated to take advantage of, and include
>>> the different input. It should not be done in a hurry, in response to one
>>> frustrating meeting. Nor should one frustrating meeting opaque the progress
>>> the IGF has made toward inclusive RP. We should use this meeting to
>>> energize forward progress in an orderly manner. Can we form a better
>>> strategy and focus for productive results? I think so. I have not made
>>> comments on the existing statement, because I would re-write it completely,
>>> with a different approach, with points I have made above.
>>>
>>> Is it proper/possible for me to propose an alternate text? I do not have
>>> the sense that there is consensus for the posts I have made previously, so
>>> I have not done so.
>>>
>>> Anyway, again, my 2 cents. Cheers for the energy around remote
>>> participation!
>>>
>>> Ginger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 23 February 2012 05:13, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Comment below:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Dear All,
>>>> >
>>>> > Firstly thank you Deirdre for copying it onto word and making it much
>>>> easier
>>>> > to incorporate the new feedback that we received from Schombe, Jovan,
>>>> > Anriette, Jeremy, Roland, Mariela etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > Whilst I am copying the text onto this email, I will also place it on
>>>> the
>>>> > Statement Workspace as well:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > STATEMENT BY THE CIVIL SOCIETY INTERNET GOVERNANCE CAUCUS ON REMOTE
>>>> > PARTICIPATION
>>>> >
>>>> > We would like to acknowledge the excellent work that the Internet
>>>> Governance
>>>> > Forum Remote Participation Working Group have been doing over the
>>>> last five
>>>> > years. We appreciate the numerous hours of sacrifice and work behind
>>>> the
>>>> > scenes to build remote participation to what it is today. We have
>>>> seen how
>>>> > whilst Technology is important, that it goes hand in hand with
>>>> extraordinary
>>>> > levels of sacrifice and commitment. It is this commitment that
>>>> enables the
>>>> > spirit of the IGF which is in sharing, dialogue, collaboration and
>>>> > ultimately access.
>>>> >
>>>> > We are fortunate that the Internet Governance Forum Secretariat and
>>>> UN DESA
>>>> > are open .and committed to continued improvements to Remote
>>>> Participation.
>>>> > Each year the IGF RPWG commences its operations with training of
>>>> remote
>>>> > moderators many weeks ahead of the meeting, where they discuss with
>>>> remote
>>>> > hubs and encourage participation and liaise with the Secretariat to
>>>> make
>>>> > remote participation a reality.
>>>> >
>>>> > We would like to reiterate and underscore that remote participation
>>>> is a
>>>> > crucial part of organizing the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) and we
>>>> > appreciate the effort to provide remote participation for the Open
>>>> > Consultation, the Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG) meetings,
>>>> and the
>>>> > MAG meeting this month – February 2012 – which was opened to
>>>> observers.
>>>> >
>>>> > The IGC believes that Remote Participation (RP) should be an integral
>>>> part
>>>> > of Internet Governance and IGF Policy Processes. It is impossible to
>>>> sustain
>>>> > an inclusive global policy process without effective remote
>>>> participation.
>>>> > We would like to explore how we can assist in working together to
>>>> address
>>>> > the issues raised in 2008 by various stakeholders that have yet to be
>>>> > addressed[1].
>>>> >
>>>> > The MAG and IGF Secretariats should start working with the host to
>>>> ensure
>>>> > that real time transcriptions are available for all sessions and not
>>>> just
>>>> > the Main Sessions.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> from the Nairobi chair's summary document:
>>>>
>>>> "The entire meeting was Webcast, with video streaming provided from
>>>> the main session room and audio streaming provided from all workshop
>>>> meeting rooms. All the main sessions and workshops had real time
>>>> transcription. The text transcripts and video of all meetings were
>>>> made available through the IGF Website."
>>>>
>>>> I think it's petty to complain about technical problems with the
>>>> transcripts etc from the MAG meeting, bad connections happen all the
>>>> time (and if MAG members can't work out how to tell a group of people
>>>> they are having problems with a connection it perhaps says more about
>>>> them than it does about the secretariat/moderators.)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > We would like to commend the excellent work of the technical team from
>>>> > Politecnico di Torino, (The Polytechnic University of Turin) which was
>>>> > originally brought by our colleague and former IGC Civil Society
>>>> Coordinator
>>>> > Vittorio Bertola.
>>>> >
>>>> > However, we would like to point out some difficulties that occurred
>>>> with the
>>>> > system during the open MAG meeting. On the third day, morning
>>>> session, (the
>>>> > second day of the open MAG meeting), remote observers were effectively
>>>> > excluded because they had no access to live transcript.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also MAG members trying to participate online had difficulty in
>>>> contacting
>>>> > moderators, partly because the moderators were serving more than one
>>>> > function.
>>>> >
>>>> > We strongly urge MAG and IGF Secretariats and ourselves to consider
>>>> the
>>>> > following for the future IGF organizing work and the IGF itself, and
>>>> work
>>>> > together to bring them about:
>>>> >
>>>> > · Ensuring equal participation between online and offline
>>>> participants
>>>> > through planning meetings to give online and offline participants an
>>>> equal
>>>> > opportunity to participate and contribute to meetings.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Ensuring that there is sufficient capacity and appropriate
>>>> bandwidth to
>>>> > sustain remote participation by liaising with hosts well in advance to
>>>> > enable greater interactions from offline participants.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Preparing a clear comprehensive guideline for remote
>>>> participation and
>>>> > its moderation and post session or meeting reporting for meeting
>>>> hosts,
>>>> > facilitators and chairs.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Clearly advertising opportunities for RP in advance of all
>>>> meetings,
>>>> > with clear guidance for participants on the opportunities to engage
>>>> through
>>>> > RP that will be available.
>>>> >
>>>> > ·Always assigning exclusive remote participation
>>>> coordinator/moderators (who
>>>> > do not have other jobs at the same time, and are responsible for
>>>> > interactions between the meeting’s physical participants/current
>>>> speaker,
>>>> > the Chair and the remote participants).
>>>> >
>>>> > · Establishing a clear procedure that would encourage remote
>>>> participants
>>>> > to intervene. Such a system is desirable both for those physically
>>>> present
>>>> > in Geneva and those observing the meeting remotely.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Providing as much interactivity as possible by giving remote
>>>> > participants to interact and engage in meetings.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Providing multiple methods – video, voice and text channel, as
>>>> well as
>>>> > real-time transcription and video streaming – of coverage of the
>>>> meeting
>>>> >
>>>> > · Enabling the meeting and remote participation through interactive
>>>> > presentations access through RP.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Creating a select Task force or Working Group created that has
>>>> > representatives from the Government, Private Sector and Civil Society
>>>> that
>>>> > is dedicated to seeing improvements of Remote Participation and to
>>>> ensure
>>>> > the incorporation of critical elements that have been highlighted to
>>>> ensure
>>>> > improved remote participation processes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Because only limited funds are available for face- to
>>>> -face participation,
>>>> > this issue is crucially important to all stakeholders from all
>>>> > constituencies who are entitled to participate in the meetings, and
>>>> who wish
>>>> > to do so from a remote location. Meeting Chairs also play a central
>>>> role in
>>>> > creating a dynamic and inclusive environment that welcomes remote
>>>> > participation.
>>>> >
>>>> > We also encourage greater partnership between the governments and
>>>> private
>>>> > sector in enhancing remote participation.
>>>> >
>>>> > We have to move beyond advocacy to listing and creating tangible
>>>> outcomes to
>>>> > make improved, stable and sustainable remote participation a reality.
>>>> >
>>>> > There are regions around the world where transportation is extremely
>>>> > expensive and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries
>>>> and
>>>> > territories. Remote participation was the only way that any of these
>>>> > countries could access the IGF.
>>>> >
>>>> > However there is room to improve processes and create an IGF culture
>>>> where
>>>> > remote participation is prioritised through exploring tested
>>>> methodology.
>>>> >
>>>> > The appropriate technical solutions need also to be explored as well
>>>> > bandwidth and ensuring that there is uninterrupted power supply and
>>>> > redundancy options where backup generators are critical to maintain a
>>>> > consistent and seamless flow. The MAG and IGF Secretariats should also
>>>> > ensure that there is sufficient and dedicated bandwidth capacity to
>>>> sustain
>>>> > the volume of traffic from remote participation.
>>>> >
>>>> > Aside from having the appropriate technical solutions and should also
>>>> > include the following:-
>>>> >
>>>> > · Outreach.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Mapping local and regional stakeholders;
>>>> >
>>>> > · Coordinating with people on the ground significantly before
>>>> the
>>>> > IGF in a series of strategic roll out.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Creation of Guidelines for Meeting Chairs and Moderators
>>>> whilst
>>>> > noting the limitations.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Identifying how the private sector, civil society and
>>>> governments
>>>> > can be better involved in the remote hubs etc.
>>>> >
>>>> > · Encourage greater collaboration between the IGF RPWG and
>>>> national,
>>>> > sub regional and regional IGFs.
>>>> >
>>>> > We also express our support of the IGF RPWG which published
>>>> guidelines and
>>>> > recommendations for remote participation and IGF 2011 WS-67
>>>> participants
>>>> > prepared a draft of e-participation principles.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ends
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> >
>>>> > [1] http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/IGF_Virtual_Community
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Deirdre Williams
>>>> > <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear Sala,
>>>> >> I have been unavoidably out of contact all day, and am just catching
>>>> up
>>>> >> with reading the messages.
>>>> >> I am not clear which document you want me to send.
>>>> >> I have attached a word copy of my response yesterday, although from
>>>> >> reading the discussion that has perhaps been superseded during the
>>>> >> discussions today?
>>>> >> Please let me know as I would be delighted to help.
>>>> >> De
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 22 February 2012 14:15, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
>>>> >> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Dear Deirdre,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> As you know our initial statement was used by the civil society
>>>> component
>>>> >>> of the CSTDWG as advised by Marilia.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If you could please send it in a word document that would be super
>>>> >>> helpful and easy to put up on the Statement Workspace. We will also
>>>> be
>>>> >>> sending our Statement to the IGF Secretariat.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Kind Regards,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
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>>>> >>>
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
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>>>> >> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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