<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Williams</span> <span class="hps">actually</span><span>,</span> <span class="hps">we are on the</span> <span class="hps">same wavelength</span> <span class="hps">but</span> <span class="hps">in different realities</span><span>.</span><br>
<span class="hps">Anyway,</span> <span class="hps">I agree</span> <span class="hps">with you</span> <span class="hps">that we must</span> <span class="hps">formalize</span> <span class="hps">the concept</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">RP</span> <span class="hps">sustainably and</span> <span class="hps">institutionalize</span> <span class="hps">this concept</span> <span class="hps">for</span> <span class="hps">the application which can be</span> <span class="hps">feasible</span> <span class="hps">in space</span> <span class="hps">and time</span> <span class="hps">required</span> <span class="hps">according to standards</span> <span class="hps">established in each country</span><span>.</span> <span class="hps">Which</span> <span class="hps">also</span> <span class="hps">will</span> <span class="hps">capitalize on the experiences</span> <span class="hps">of</span> <span class="hps">each other</span> <span class="hps">in the process</span> <span class="hps">of materialization</span> <span class="hps">of this concept</span><span>.</span></span><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/3 Deirdre Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I disagree.<div>It seems to me 'participation' is available already; what we are fighting for now is the <b>real</b> institutionalisation of remote participation. Adam pointed out that remote participation is already present in the documentation - now we need to ensure that it is also present, as a matter of course, at all of the meetings.</div>
<div>I accept your arguments, but they seem to me to support keeping the qualifier 'remote' until such times as the goal you describe below -</div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
to have electronic participation be as seamless as possible relative to in person participation</blockquote></div><div>has been achieved.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div>Deirdre </div></font></span><div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5"><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 March 2012 19:02, Paul Lehto <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lehto.paul@gmail.com" target="_blank">lehto.paul@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I do understand why the request here is for "Remote Participation" but I would suggest re-framing this request because what people really want is Participation, not "Remote Participation" per se. <br>
<br>
The goal with things-internet should be to have electronic participation be as seamless as possible relative to in person participation. I would suggest a global find/replace to find "Remote Participation" and replace it with "Participation". If not now, then in the future. A call for "Participation without visas" does not seem out of line in the age of the internet, but what is sought is Participation, plain and simple.<br>
<br>Sent via remote email,<br>Paul Lehto, J.D.<br><br>P.S. It seems the feeling many have had with technical problems in
participation left them feeling quite "remote" to the process of
participation. :) <br><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The Statement is available via
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/digressit/archives/47</a> <div><br></div><div>Michael your concerns are factored in the Statement, see Paragraph [4].</div><div>
<br></div><div>
Kind Regards,</div><div>Sala</div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 4:18 AM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">(Coming in late, this was caught up in my gmail
issues...</font></span></font></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial"><span></span></font></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">I'ld like to strongly agree with Ginger in this. For me
Remote Participation is not a technical issue but rather has to do with
policy. A commitment to "RP" has a lot of implications of which the
technical and organizational are only part (and even then may be the least
significant). RP implies that the processes of discussion are structured
and designed -- including their planning, set-up, execution and follow-on --
in such a way that those who are participating remotely are equally enabled
and empowered as those who are participating
f2f.</font></span></font></font></div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font><span></span></font></font> </div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Achieving this is a huge undertaking to my mind but one worth
pursuing both at the operational and at the policy
level.</font></span></font></font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font><span><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial">Mike</font></span></font></font></div><div>
<div dir="ltr" lang="en-us" align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font><span></span></font></font> </div>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ginger
Paque<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:47 AM<br><b>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; Adam Peake<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance]
Remote Participation<br><br></font></font></div></div><div><div>Adam said:<br><br>I think it's
petty to complain about technical problems with the<br>transcripts etc from
the MAG meeting, bad connections happen all the<br>time (and if MAG members
can't work out how to tell a group of people<br>they are having problems with
a connection it perhaps says more about<br>them than it does about the
secretariat/moderators.)<br><br>I think that this full discussion and support
for RP is very important and exciting.<br><br>I think that using the occasion
of the recent meetings as an example and illustration is a mistake. I agree
with Adam that the tech glitches during last week's meetings should not even
be addressed--these are obvious. Placing emphasis on tech details draws
attention from the more valid, and more important principles. I know I am
repeating myself, but I think they boil down to just one:<br><br>RP must be
institutionalized in meeting processes. <br><br>The only serious problem I see
with last week's meetings was the lack of a remote moderator and clear
processes. If RP -- and I mean remote participation and remote engagement, not
remote observation -- were an automatic, standard part of meeting strategies
and processes, the inclusion of an onsite remote moderator would have been a
given, as much as the presence of the traditional chair and moderator. I dare
to say that if one of the members of the RPWG had been at the meetings, they
might have 'requested' to be 'allowed' to act as remote moderator. Remote
moderation and remote participation should not depend on collaboration of
volunteers and serendipity. Implementation of RP may always need the
collaboration of volunteers, and the RPWG exists as a volunteer organization,
seeking the privilege of collaborating, but the planning process should
originate in the IGF structure itself, not in the action of
volunteers.<br><br>If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the
Secretariat might ask the RPWG for collaboration, and issue a call for
volunteers.<br><br>If RP were institutionalized in the IGF process, the
Secretariat might include a RPWG (or other mechanism) liaison for strategy,
planning and process and instead of an endless series of ad hoc
situations.<br><br>If RP were institutionalized, Remote Hubs -- an innovation
of the RPWG catalysed by Marilia's energy and organization -- would become
part of the IGF process, not the RPWG process, would include remote hubs
whenever appropriate and would include support for regional IGFs.<br><br>I
would prefer to see a strong, clear, short statement asking that RP be
institutionalised (maybe that is not the appropriate word) as an integral part
of the IGF meeting process.<br><br>Establishing principles and guidelines is
separate process which has been started, and should be coordinated to take
advantage of, and include the different input. It should not be done in a
hurry, in response to one frustrating meeting. Nor should one frustrating
meeting opaque the progress the IGF has made toward inclusive RP. We should
use this meeting to energize forward progress in an orderly manner. Can we
form a better strategy and focus for productive results? I think so. I have
not made comments on the existing statement, because I would re-write it
completely, with a different approach, with points I have made above.
<br><br>Is it proper/possible for me to propose an alternate text? I do not
have the sense that there is consensus for the posts I have made previously,
so I have not done so.<br><br>Anyway, again, my 2 cents. Cheers for the energy
around remote participation!<br><br>Ginger<br><br><br><br clear="all">Ginger
(Virginia) Paque<br><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 February 2012 05:13, Adam Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">Comment below:<br><br>On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 6:33 PM,
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br><<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>
Dear All,<br>><br>> Firstly thank you Deirdre for copying it onto word
and making it much easier<br>> to incorporate the new feedback that we
received from Schombe, Jovan,<br>> Anriette, Jeremy, Roland, Mariela
etc.<br>><br>> Whilst I am copying the text onto this email, I will
also place it on the<br>> Statement Workspace as
well:<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> STATEMENT BY THE CIVIL SOCIETY
INTERNET GOVERNANCE CAUCUS ON REMOTE<br>> PARTICIPATION<br>><br>>
We would like to acknowledge the excellent work that the Internet
Governance<br>> Forum Remote Participation Working Group have been doing
over the last five<br>> years. We appreciate the numerous hours of
sacrifice and work behind the<br>> scenes to build remote participation
to what it is today. We have seen how<br>> whilst Technology is
important, that it goes hand in hand with extraordinary<br>> levels of
sacrifice and commitment. It is this commitment that enables
the<br>> spirit of the IGF which is in sharing, dialogue, collaboration
and<br>> ultimately access.<br>><br>> We are fortunate that the
Internet Governance Forum Secretariat and UN DESA<br>> are open .and
committed to continued improvements to Remote Participation.<br>> Each
year the IGF RPWG commences its operations with training of remote<br>>
moderators many weeks ahead of the meeting, where they discuss with
remote<br>> hubs and encourage participation and liaise with the
Secretariat to make<br>> remote participation a reality.<br>><br>>
We would like to reiterate and underscore that remote participation is
a<br>> crucial part of organizing the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) and
we<br>> appreciate the effort to provide remote participation for the
Open<br>> Consultation, the Multi-stakeholder Advisory Group (MAG)
meetings, and the<br>> MAG meeting this month – February 2012 – which was
opened to observers.<br>><br>> The IGC believes that Remote
Participation (RP) should be an integral part<br>> of Internet Governance
and IGF Policy Processes. It is impossible to sustain<br>> an inclusive
global policy process without effective remote participation.<br>> We
would like to explore how we can assist in working together to
address<br>> the issues raised in 2008 by various stakeholders that have
yet to be<br>> addressed[1].<br>><br>> The MAG and IGF
Secretariats should start working with the host to ensure<br>> that real
time transcriptions are available for all sessions and not just<br>> the
Main Sessions.<br>><br><br>from the Nairobi chair's summary
document:<br><br>"The entire meeting was Webcast, with video streaming
provided from<br>the main session room and audio streaming provided from all
workshop<br>meeting rooms. All the main sessions and workshops had real
time<br>transcription. The text transcripts and video of all meetings
were<br>made available through the IGF Website."<br><br>I think it's petty
to complain about technical problems with the<br>transcripts etc from the
MAG meeting, bad connections happen all the<br>time (and if MAG members
can't work out how to tell a group of people<br>they are having problems
with a connection it perhaps says more about<br>them than it does about the
secretariat/moderators.)<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Adam<br><br><br>> We would
like to commend the excellent work of the technical team from<br>>
Politecnico di Torino, (The Polytechnic University of Turin) which
was<br>> originally brought by our colleague and former IGC Civil Society
Coordinator<br>> Vittorio Bertola.<br>><br>> However, we would like
to point out some difficulties that occurred with the<br>> system during
the open MAG meeting. On the third day, morning session, (the<br>> second
day of the open MAG meeting), remote observers were effectively<br>>
excluded because they had no access to live transcript.<br>><br>>
Also MAG members trying to participate online had difficulty in
contacting<br>> moderators, partly because the moderators were serving
more than one<br>> function.<br>><br>> We strongly urge MAG and IGF
Secretariats and ourselves to consider the<br>> following for the future
IGF organizing work and the IGF itself, and work<br>> together to bring
them about:<br>><br>> · Ensuring equal participation
between online and offline participants<br>> through planning meetings to
give online and offline participants an equal<br>> opportunity to
participate and contribute to meetings.<br>><br>> ·
Ensuring that there is sufficient capacity and appropriate bandwidth
to<br>> sustain remote participation by liaising with hosts well in
advance to<br>> enable greater interactions from offline
participants.<br>><br>> · Preparing a clear comprehensive
guideline for remote participation and<br>> its moderation and post
session or meeting reporting for meeting hosts,<br>> facilitators and
chairs.<br>><br>> · Clearly advertising opportunities for
RP in advance of all meetings,<br>> with clear guidance for participants
on the opportunities to engage through<br>> RP that will be
available.<br>><br>> ·Always assigning exclusive remote participation
coordinator/moderators (who<br>> do not have other jobs at the same time,
and are responsible for<br>> interactions between the meeting’s physical
participants/current speaker,<br>> the Chair and the remote
participants).<br>><br>> · Establishing a clear procedure
that would encourage remote participants<br>> to intervene. Such a system
is desirable both for those physically present<br>> in Geneva and those
observing the meeting remotely.<br>><br>> · Providing as
much interactivity as possible by giving remote<br>> participants to
interact and engage in meetings.<br>><br>> · Providing
multiple methods – video, voice and text channel, as well as<br>>
real-time transcription and video streaming – of coverage of the
meeting<br>><br>> · Enabling the meeting and remote
participation through interactive<br>> presentations access through
RP.<br>><br>> · Creating a select Task force or Working
Group created that has<br>> representatives from the Government, Private
Sector and Civil Society that<br>> is dedicated to seeing improvements of
Remote Participation and to ensure<br>> the incorporation of
critical elements that have been highlighted to ensure<br>> improved
remote participation processes.<br>><br>> Because only limited funds
are available for face- to -face participation,<br>> this issue is
crucially important to all stakeholders from all<br>> constituencies who
are entitled to participate in the meetings, and who wish<br>> to do so
from a remote location. Meeting Chairs also play a central role in<br>>
creating a dynamic and inclusive environment that welcomes remote<br>>
participation.<br>><br>> We also encourage greater partnership between
the governments and private<br>> sector in enhancing remote
participation.<br>><br>> We have to move beyond advocacy to listing
and creating tangible outcomes to<br>> make improved, stable and
sustainable remote participation a reality.<br>><br>> There are
regions around the world where transportation is extremely<br>> expensive
and one such region is the Pacific which has 22 countries and<br>>
territories. Remote participation was the only way that any of these<br>>
countries could access the IGF.<br>><br>> However there is room to
improve processes and create an IGF culture where<br>> remote
participation is prioritised through exploring tested
methodology.<br>><br>> The appropriate technical solutions need
also to be explored as well<br>> bandwidth and ensuring that there is
uninterrupted power supply and<br>> redundancy options where backup
generators are critical to maintain a<br>> consistent and seamless flow.
The MAG and IGF Secretariats should also<br>> ensure that there is
sufficient and dedicated bandwidth capacity to sustain<br>> the volume of
traffic from remote participation.<br>><br>> Aside from having the
appropriate technical solutions and should also<br>> include the
following:-<br>><br>>
· Outreach.<br>><br>>
· Mapping local and regional
stakeholders;<br>><br>>
· Coordinating with people
on the ground significantly before the<br>> IGF in a series of strategic
roll out.<br>><br>> ·
Creation of Guidelines for Meeting Chairs and Moderators whilst<br>>
noting the limitations.<br>><br>>
· Identifying how the
private sector, civil society and governments<br>> can be better involved
in the remote hubs etc.<br>><br>>
· Encourage greater
collaboration between the IGF RPWG and national,<br>> sub regional and
regional IGFs.<br>><br>> We also express our support of the IGF RPWG
which published guidelines and<br>> recommendations for remote
participation and IGF 2011 WS-67 participants<br>> prepared a draft
of e-participation principles.<br>><br>>
Ends<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>
________________________________<br>><br>> [1] <a href="http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/IGF_Virtual_Community" target="_blank">http://wiki.igf-online.net/wiki/IGF_Virtual_Community</a><span style="width:16px;padding-right:16px;min-height:16px"></span><span style="min-height:16px;width:16px;padding-right:16px"></span><br>
><br>><br>><br>>
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Deirdre Williams<br>> <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com" target="_blank">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>><br>>> Dear Sala,<br>>> I have been
unavoidably out of contact all day, and am just catching up<br>>> with
reading the messages.<br>>> I am not clear which document you want me
to send.<br>>> I have attached a word copy of my response yesterday,
although from<br>>> reading the discussion that has perhaps been
superseded during the<br>>> discussions today?<br>>> Please let
me know as I would be delighted to help.<br>>>
De<br>>><br>>><br>>> On 22 February 2012 14:15, Salanieta
T. Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>>> <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> Dear
Deirdre,<br>>>><br>>>> As you know our initial statement
was used by the civil society component<br>>>> of the CSTDWG as
advised by Marilia.<br>>>><br>>>> If you could please send
it in a word document that would be super<br>>>> helpful and easy
to put up on the Statement Workspace. We will also be<br>>>>
sending our Statement to the IGF
Secretariat.<br>>>><br>>>> Kind
Regards,<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
--<br>>>> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka
Sala<br>>>><br>>>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT<br>>>>
Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>>>> Cell: <a href="tel:%2B679%20998%202851" value="+6799982851" target="_blank">+679 998
2851</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>
--<br>>> “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge"
Sir William<br>>> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics,
1979<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Salanieta
Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>><br>> Tweeter: @SalanietaT<br>>
Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>> Cell: <a href="tel:%2B679%20998%202851" value="+6799982851" target="_blank">+679 998
2851</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>
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