[governance] [liberationtech] Chinese preparing for a "Autonomous Internet" ?

[Dominique Lacroix]

Sorry for the ellipsis, David. The .IQ/Elashi brothers case is simply 
showing, imho, that as we can observe diverse laws in diverse countries.
Elashi brothers didn't kill anyone, as one can read it in the /Federal 
Register/. Nevertheless, they are in jail for their life.
They sold hardware (PC and memory) to Malta, and the Maltese client 
delivered the goods to Syria and Lybia, that was forbidden by the 
American law. And they financed Palestinian schools and hospitals via a 
charity organisation that is blacklisted by the US.

I didn't wish to discuss here the Elashi's case, a painful and 
complicate story.
Without needing to study deeply the legal case, you could imagine that 
some countries do NOT distribute "terrorist" labels in the same way as 
the US do, even to the Hamas. The charity organization /Holy Land 
Foundation for Relief and Development /is not blacklisted as a terrorist 
organization in all countries, even Western countries. And PC export is 
not so tightly regulated in all countries as in the US.
Criminal here, innocent there. Even heroes...

In our scope, the case shows that DNS architecture is also a very 
political game.
Countries at war often adopt some special acts that violate civil rights 
and basic freedom. Can we built a worldwide consensus about Internet 
based upon such special laws?

By the way, I assume that communications in Iraq must not be very easy 
during the 1997-2002. Launching the .iq was certainely not as funny as 
the "big thing"...

@+, kind regards, Dominique

Le 25/06/12 23:40, David Conrad a écrit :
> Dominique,
>
> On Jun 25, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Dominique Lacroix wrote:
>> Le 25/06/12 19:59, David Conrad a écrit :
>>> Out of curiosity, why do you believe ICANN (or the USG) "suspended" the .iq domain?  My understanding (again, before my time at ICANN so I may be misinformed) was that the folks Postel delegated the domain to didn't do anything with it and got in trouble for violating US law when living in the US.
>> Here we are!Elashi "/violated the US law/". As if US law was the 
>> world law!
>
> They were living in the US (Texas, as I understand it).  I'm assuming 
> they did not have diplomatic immunity.  Are you saying non-diplomats 
> living in the US are not subject to US law because they created a 
> commercial company that happened to convince Jon Postel in 1997 that 
> they could provide ccTLD services for Iraq?
>
>> But Elashi brosscould not have been convicted in a lot of "clean" 
>> countries such as UK or Australia.
>
> Not knowing the laws of either the UK or Australia, I can't comment.
>
>> And even in the States, CS rights organizations fight for Elashi freedom!
>
> If you say so. Not being a lawyer, knowing the details of the case, or 
> knowing CS rights organizations or the justification they're using to 
> argue for the Elashi brothers, I can't comment.
>
>> That's exactly why the root must not be ruled by only one country.
>
> I'm sorry, not following the logic here.  While I might agree that 
> "oversight" (for some value of that variable) should not be performed 
> by a single country, I don't see how the .IQ/Elashi brothers case 
> argues for it.  But I guess that's just me.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
>
>
-- 
Dominique Lacroix
Présidente
Société européenne de l'Internet
http://www.ies-france.eu
+33 (0)6 63 24 39 14

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