[governance] Access and Diversity [IGF 2012 - MAG Consultations]

Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
Mon Feb 27 05:41:35 EST 2012 

Dear All,

Could we please have someone wrap this up and consolidate it before this is
sent to the current MAG members to send to the MAG?

Kind Regards,

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Yuliya Morenets <
y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu> wrote:

> Le 25/2/2012, "Deirdre Williams" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> a écrit:
>
> >So can we speak to 'vulnerable people' generally and provide sub-headings
> >to identify them?
>
> I think yes, and it will allow to speak and raise the issues for
> different categories of vulnerable people.
>
> >The trouble is that 'vulnerable' is such a huge word. Each of us is
> >vulnerable at some time for some reason.
>
> It's true, but I'd take the definition as proposed in Geneva
> Declaration and Tunis Agenda for example, to start the discussion.
>
> Yuliya
>
> >On 25 February 2012 03:30, Yuliya Morenets
> ><y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu>wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Sala, Dear all,
> >>
> >> We strongly believe that the issues of the participation of vulnerable
> >> people in the Information Society and their voice should be raised and
> >> we propose to include this under "Access and Diversity".
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards, Yuliya
> >> TaC-Together against Cybercrime
> >>
> >> Le 23/2/2012, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> >> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit:
> >>
> >> >Hi everyone,
> >> >
> >> >Let me know if you would like to add additional thoughts etc.
> Volunteers
> >> >are still needed to consolidate the themes etc to make it more coherent
> >> and
> >> >will soon put it back to the list through the Statement Workspace for
> the
> >> >rough consensus call before it is put to the MAG.
> >> >
> >> >Kind Regards,
> >> >Sala
> >> >
> >> >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> >> >salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Tim Davies <
> >> >> tim at practicalparticipation.co.uk> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hello Imran and others,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm also uncomfortable if we frame 'Internet for Kids' as creating
> some
> >> >>> sort of separate tightly filtered Internet. I would see the task of
> >> >>> focussing on the Internet for Children much more as a question of
> >> ensuring
> >> >>> there is positive content available to children in engaging online
> and
> >> >>> making positive choices, rather than adults choosing to control
> >> children's
> >> >>> and young people's access to information with filtered online
> spaces.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> Excellent point Tim. I like this approach.
> >> >>
> >> >>  Perhaps if I could invite volunteers to work on consolidating the
> >> >> comments and themes that have surfaced so we can get some level of
> >> >> consensus. This is so we can prepare to send our thoughts. We will
> then
> >> put
> >> >> it to the list for a consensus call.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think a language of Children's Rights is useful here, and the ideas
> >> >>> Imran suggest below, might fit into the proposal I put in the Human
> >> Rights
> >> >>> thread for reframing 'Child Protection' as a 'Children's Rights'
> >> thread.
> >> >>> Below is what I said in that thread about the value in taking a
> >> Children's
> >> >>> Rights approach to these issues:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "On the suggestion for (11) on 'Online child protection', I would
> >> really
> >> >>> like to see this framed as 'Children's Rights: Protection, Provision
> >> and
> >> >>> Participation', rather than solely 'child protection', particularly
> as
> >> this
> >> >>> is falling under a 'human rights' heading.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I've written a bit on the justification for this at
> >> >>> http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/23226/ - but essentially, when we
> adopt
> >> >>> narrow narratives of 'online child protection' we end up (a)
> neglecting
> >> >>> children and young people's broader set of rights to be active
> >> >>> participants on the web, and to safe and supportive online
> provision;
> >> and
> >> >>> (b) we adopt counter-productive strategies which don't even serve
> the
> >> >>> intended goals of keeping young people safe from harm online. "
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All the best
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Tim
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Fatima Cambronero <
> >> >>> fatimacambronero at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 2012/2/21 McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On 2/21/12, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>> > Thanks Sala for your comments,
> >> >>>>> > This idea is derived from one of my friend/collegue, and we were
> >> >>>>> discussing
> >> >>>>> > that it is very hard to configure kids PCs for safe online
> surfing,
> >> >>>>> > configuring the Firewall and Parental Protection kind of
> things, or
> >> >>>>> using
> >> >>>>> > the Kids-Safe-Online utilities individually obtained. Why not we
> >> >>>>> devise some
> >> >>>>> > governance for the provisioning of allowing just a single
> browser
> >> to
> >> >>>>> Kids
> >> >>>>> > Login, and a dedicated Search Engine that could provide the
> >> >>>>> confidence of
> >> >>>>> > Certified Clean Websites only related to the Kids.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Wouldn't this violate their Human Rights?  (Access to
> >> >>>>> Knowledge/Information/Right to Communicate).
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> And what about their privacy? Do children have no Right to Privacy?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> From what age do children acquire the right to privacy?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Fatima
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Cheers,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> McTim
> >> >>>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
> A
> >> >>>>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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