[governance] Access and Diversity [IGF 2012 - MAG Consultations]

Yuliya Morenets y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu
Sat Feb 25 12:13:14 EST 2012 

Le 25/2/2012, "Deirdre Williams" <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> a écrit:

>So can we speak to 'vulnerable people' generally and provide sub-headings
>to identify them?

I think yes, and it will allow to speak and raise the issues for
different categories of vulnerable people.

>The trouble is that 'vulnerable' is such a huge word. Each of us is
>vulnerable at some time for some reason.

It's true, but I'd take the definition as proposed in Geneva
Declaration and Tunis Agenda for example, to start the discussion.

Yuliya

>On 25 February 2012 03:30, Yuliya Morenets
><y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu>wrote:
>
>> Dear Sala, Dear all,
>>
>> We strongly believe that the issues of the participation of vulnerable
>> people in the Information Society and their voice should be raised and
>> we propose to include this under "Access and Diversity".
>>
>>
>> Kind regards, Yuliya
>> TaC-Together against Cybercrime
>>
>> Le 23/2/2012, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
>> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit:
>>
>> >Hi everyone,
>> >
>> >Let me know if you would like to add additional thoughts etc. Volunteers
>> >are still needed to consolidate the themes etc to make it more coherent
>> and
>> >will soon put it back to the list through the Statement Workspace for the
>> >rough consensus call before it is put to the MAG.
>> >
>> >Kind Regards,
>> >Sala
>> >
>> >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
>> >salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Tim Davies <
>> >> tim at practicalparticipation.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello Imran and others,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm also uncomfortable if we frame 'Internet for Kids' as creating some
>> >>> sort of separate tightly filtered Internet. I would see the task of
>> >>> focussing on the Internet for Children much more as a question of
>> ensuring
>> >>> there is positive content available to children in engaging online and
>> >>> making positive choices, rather than adults choosing to control
>> children's
>> >>> and young people's access to information with filtered online spaces.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Excellent point Tim. I like this approach.
>> >>
>> >>  Perhaps if I could invite volunteers to work on consolidating the
>> >> comments and themes that have surfaced so we can get some level of
>> >> consensus. This is so we can prepare to send our thoughts. We will then
>> put
>> >> it to the list for a consensus call.
>> >>
>> >> I think a language of Children's Rights is useful here, and the ideas
>> >>> Imran suggest below, might fit into the proposal I put in the Human
>> Rights
>> >>> thread for reframing 'Child Protection' as a 'Children's Rights'
>> thread.
>> >>> Below is what I said in that thread about the value in taking a
>> Children's
>> >>> Rights approach to these issues:
>> >>>
>> >>> "On the suggestion for (11) on 'Online child protection', I would
>> really
>> >>> like to see this framed as 'Children's Rights: Protection, Provision
>> and
>> >>> Participation', rather than solely 'child protection', particularly as
>> this
>> >>> is falling under a 'human rights' heading.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've written a bit on the justification for this at
>> >>> http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/23226/ - but essentially, when we adopt
>> >>> narrow narratives of 'online child protection' we end up (a) neglecting
>> >>> children and young people's broader set of rights to be active
>> >>> participants on the web, and to safe and supportive online provision;
>> and
>> >>> (b) we adopt counter-productive strategies which don't even serve the
>> >>> intended goals of keeping young people safe from harm online. "
>> >>>
>> >>> All the best
>> >>>
>> >>> Tim
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Fatima Cambronero <
>> >>> fatimacambronero at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2012/2/21 McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 2/21/12, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> > Thanks Sala for your comments,
>> >>>>> > This idea is derived from one of my friend/collegue, and we were
>> >>>>> discussing
>> >>>>> > that it is very hard to configure kids PCs for safe online surfing,
>> >>>>> > configuring the Firewall and Parental Protection kind of things, or
>> >>>>> using
>> >>>>> > the Kids-Safe-Online utilities individually obtained. Why not we
>> >>>>> devise some
>> >>>>> > governance for the provisioning of allowing just a single browser
>> to
>> >>>>> Kids
>> >>>>> > Login, and a dedicated Search Engine that could provide the
>> >>>>> confidence of
>> >>>>> > Certified Clean Websites only related to the Kids.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Wouldn't this violate their Human Rights?  (Access to
>> >>>>> Knowledge/Information/Right to Communicate).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And what about their privacy? Do children have no Right to Privacy?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From what age do children acquire the right to privacy?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Fatima
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> McTim
>> >>>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> >>>>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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