[governance] Access and Diversity [IGF 2012 - MAG Consultations]

Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com
Sat Feb 25 07:39:57 EST 2012 

So can we speak to 'vulnerable people' generally and provide sub-headings
to identify them?
The trouble is that 'vulnerable' is such a huge word. Each of us is
vulnerable at some time for some reason.

On 25 February 2012 03:30, Yuliya Morenets
<y.morenets at againstcybercrime.eu>wrote:

> Dear Sala, Dear all,
>
> We strongly believe that the issues of the participation of vulnerable
> people in the Information Society and their voice should be raised and
> we propose to include this under "Access and Diversity".
>
>
> Kind regards, Yuliya
> TaC-Together against Cybercrime
>
> Le 23/2/2012, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> a écrit:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Let me know if you would like to add additional thoughts etc. Volunteers
> >are still needed to consolidate the themes etc to make it more coherent
> and
> >will soon put it back to the list through the Statement Workspace for the
> >rough consensus call before it is put to the MAG.
> >
> >Kind Regards,
> >Sala
> >
> >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> >salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Tim Davies <
> >> tim at practicalparticipation.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Imran and others,
> >>>
> >>> I'm also uncomfortable if we frame 'Internet for Kids' as creating some
> >>> sort of separate tightly filtered Internet. I would see the task of
> >>> focussing on the Internet for Children much more as a question of
> ensuring
> >>> there is positive content available to children in engaging online and
> >>> making positive choices, rather than adults choosing to control
> children's
> >>> and young people's access to information with filtered online spaces.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Excellent point Tim. I like this approach.
> >>
> >>  Perhaps if I could invite volunteers to work on consolidating the
> >> comments and themes that have surfaced so we can get some level of
> >> consensus. This is so we can prepare to send our thoughts. We will then
> put
> >> it to the list for a consensus call.
> >>
> >> I think a language of Children's Rights is useful here, and the ideas
> >>> Imran suggest below, might fit into the proposal I put in the Human
> Rights
> >>> thread for reframing 'Child Protection' as a 'Children's Rights'
> thread.
> >>> Below is what I said in that thread about the value in taking a
> Children's
> >>> Rights approach to these issues:
> >>>
> >>> "On the suggestion for (11) on 'Online child protection', I would
> really
> >>> like to see this framed as 'Children's Rights: Protection, Provision
> and
> >>> Participation', rather than solely 'child protection', particularly as
> this
> >>> is falling under a 'human rights' heading.
> >>>
> >>> I've written a bit on the justification for this at
> >>> http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/23226/ - but essentially, when we adopt
> >>> narrow narratives of 'online child protection' we end up (a) neglecting
> >>> children and young people's broader set of rights to be active
> >>> participants on the web, and to safe and supportive online provision;
> and
> >>> (b) we adopt counter-productive strategies which don't even serve the
> >>> intended goals of keeping young people safe from harm online. "
> >>>
> >>> All the best
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Fatima Cambronero <
> >>> fatimacambronero at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2012/2/21 McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2/21/12, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > Thanks Sala for your comments,
> >>>>> > This idea is derived from one of my friend/collegue, and we were
> >>>>> discussing
> >>>>> > that it is very hard to configure kids PCs for safe online surfing,
> >>>>> > configuring the Firewall and Parental Protection kind of things, or
> >>>>> using
> >>>>> > the Kids-Safe-Online utilities individually obtained. Why not we
> >>>>> devise some
> >>>>> > governance for the provisioning of allowing just a single browser
> to
> >>>>> Kids
> >>>>> > Login, and a dedicated Search Engine that could provide the
> >>>>> confidence of
> >>>>> > Certified Clean Websites only related to the Kids.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wouldn't this violate their Human Rights?  (Access to
> >>>>> Knowledge/Information/Right to Communicate).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And what about their privacy? Do children have no Right to Privacy?
> >>>>
> >>>> From what age do children acquire the right to privacy?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fatima
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> McTim
> >>>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >>>>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>
> >>
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