<div><div>Dear All,</div></div><div><br></div><div>Could we please have someone wrap this up and consolidate it before this is sent to the current MAG members to send to the MAG?</div><div><br></div><div>Kind Regards,</div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Yuliya Morenets <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu">y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Le 25/2/2012, "Deirdre Williams" <<a href="mailto:williams.deirdre@gmail.com">williams.deirdre@gmail.com</a>> a écrit:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
>So can we speak to 'vulnerable people' generally and provide sub-headings<br>
>to identify them?<br>
<br>
</div>I think yes, and it will allow to speak and raise the issues for<br>
different categories of vulnerable people.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
>The trouble is that 'vulnerable' is such a huge word. Each of us is<br>
>vulnerable at some time for some reason.<br>
<br>
</div>It's true, but I'd take the definition as proposed in Geneva<br>
Declaration and Tunis Agenda for example, to start the discussion.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Yuliya<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
>On 25 February 2012 03:30, Yuliya Morenets<br>
><<a href="mailto:y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu">y.morenets@againstcybercrime.eu</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear Sala, Dear all,<br>
>><br>
>> We strongly believe that the issues of the participation of vulnerable<br>
>> people in the Information Society and their voice should be raised and<br>
>> we propose to include this under "Access and Diversity".<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Kind regards, Yuliya<br>
>> TaC-Together against Cybercrime<br>
>><br>
>> Le 23/2/2012, "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> a écrit:<br>
>><br>
>> >Hi everyone,<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Let me know if you would like to add additional thoughts etc. Volunteers<br>
>> >are still needed to consolidate the themes etc to make it more coherent<br>
>> and<br>
>> >will soon put it back to the list through the Statement Workspace for the<br>
>> >rough consensus call before it is put to the MAG.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Kind Regards,<br>
>> >Sala<br>
>> ><br>
>> >On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<br>
>> ><a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:21 AM, Tim Davies <<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk">tim@practicalparticipation.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Hello Imran and others,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I'm also uncomfortable if we frame 'Internet for Kids' as creating some<br>
>> >>> sort of separate tightly filtered Internet. I would see the task of<br>
>> >>> focussing on the Internet for Children much more as a question of<br>
>> ensuring<br>
>> >>> there is positive content available to children in engaging online and<br>
>> >>> making positive choices, rather than adults choosing to control<br>
>> children's<br>
>> >>> and young people's access to information with filtered online spaces.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >> Excellent point Tim. I like this approach.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Perhaps if I could invite volunteers to work on consolidating the<br>
>> >> comments and themes that have surfaced so we can get some level of<br>
>> >> consensus. This is so we can prepare to send our thoughts. We will then<br>
>> put<br>
>> >> it to the list for a consensus call.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I think a language of Children's Rights is useful here, and the ideas<br>
>> >>> Imran suggest below, might fit into the proposal I put in the Human<br>
>> Rights<br>
>> >>> thread for reframing 'Child Protection' as a 'Children's Rights'<br>
>> thread.<br>
>> >>> Below is what I said in that thread about the value in taking a<br>
>> Children's<br>
>> >>> Rights approach to these issues:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> "On the suggestion for (11) on 'Online child protection', I would<br>
>> really<br>
>> >>> like to see this framed as 'Children's Rights: Protection, Provision<br>
>> and<br>
>> >>> Participation', rather than solely 'child protection', particularly as<br>
>> this<br>
>> >>> is falling under a 'human rights' heading.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I've written a bit on the justification for this at<br>
>> >>> <a href="http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/23226/" target="_blank">http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/23226/</a> - but essentially, when we adopt<br>
>> >>> narrow narratives of 'online child protection' we end up (a) neglecting<br>
>> >>> children and young people's broader set of rights to be active<br>
>> >>> participants on the web, and to safe and supportive online provision;<br>
>> and<br>
>> >>> (b) we adopt counter-productive strategies which don't even serve the<br>
>> >>> intended goals of keeping young people safe from harm online. "<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> All the best<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Tim<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Fatima Cambronero <<br>
>> >>> <a href="mailto:fatimacambronero@gmail.com">fatimacambronero@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> 2012/2/21 McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>>> On 2/21/12, Imran Ahmed Shah <<a href="mailto:ias_pk@yahoo.com">ias_pk@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >>>>> > Thanks Sala for your comments,<br>
>> >>>>> > This idea is derived from one of my friend/collegue, and we were<br>
>> >>>>> discussing<br>
>> >>>>> > that it is very hard to configure kids PCs for safe online surfing,<br>
>> >>>>> > configuring the Firewall and Parental Protection kind of things, or<br>
>> >>>>> using<br>
>> >>>>> > the Kids-Safe-Online utilities individually obtained. Why not we<br>
>> >>>>> devise some<br>
>> >>>>> > governance for the provisioning of allowing just a single browser<br>
>> to<br>
>> >>>>> Kids<br>
>> >>>>> > Login, and a dedicated Search Engine that could provide the<br>
>> >>>>> confidence of<br>
>> >>>>> > Certified Clean Websites only related to the Kids.<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Wouldn't this violate their Human Rights? (Access to<br>
>> >>>>> Knowledge/Information/Right to Communicate).<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> And what about their privacy? Do children have no Right to Privacy?<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> From what age do children acquire the right to privacy?<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Fatima<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> --<br>
>> >>>>> Cheers,<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> McTim<br>
>> >>>>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A<br>
>> >>>>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________________<br>
>> >>>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>
>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
>> >>>>> To be removed from the list, visit:<br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> For all other list information and functions, see:<br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>
>> >>>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br>
>> >>>>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>> Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> --<br>
>> >>>> *Fatima Cambronero*<br>
>> >>>> Abogada-Argentina<br>
>> >>>> Directora de Investigaciones<br>
>> >>>> *AGEIA DENSI Argentina*<br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://ar.ageiadensi.org/" target="_blank">http://ar.ageiadensi.org/</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> *@facambronero*<br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> *Join the LACRALO/ICANN discussions:*<br>
>> >>>> <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-es</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________<br>
>> >>>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>
>> >>>> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
>> >>>> To be removed from the list, visit:<br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> For all other list information and functions, see:<br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>
>> >>>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br>
>> >>>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>> Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> --<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="http://www.timdavies.org.uk" target="_blank">http://www.timdavies.org.uk</a><br>
>> >>> 07834 856 303.<br>
>> >>> @timdavies<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Co-director of Practical Participation:<br>
>> >>> <a href="http://www.practicalparticipation.co.uk" target="_blank">http://www.practicalparticipation.co.uk</a><br>
>> >>> --------------------------<br>
>> >>> Practical Participation Ltd is a registered company in England and<br>
>> Wales<br>
>> >>> - #5381958.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Tweeter: @SalanietaT<br>
>> >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
>> >> Cell: <a href="tel:%2B679%20998%202851" value="+6799982851">+679 998 2851</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >--<br>
>> >Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Tweeter: @SalanietaT<br>
>> >Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro<br>
>> >Cell: <a href="tel:%2B679%20998%202851" value="+6799982851">+679 998 2851</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ____________________________________________________________<br>
>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
>> To be removed from the list, visit:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br>
>><br>
>> For all other list information and functions, see:<br>
>> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>
>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br>
>> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br>
>><br>
>> Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
>--<br>
>“The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir William<br>
>Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979<br>
<br>
</div></div><br>____________________________________________________________<br>
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>
<a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
To be removed from the list, visit:<br>
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br>
<br>
For all other list information and functions, see:<br>
<a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br>
<a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br>
<br>
Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala</div><div><br></div><div>Tweeter: @SalanietaT</div><div>Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro</div><div>Cell: +679 998 2851</div>
<div> </div><div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="line-height:16px"><br></span></font></div><br>