[governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application
parminder
parminder at itforchange.net
Sat Feb 25 12:17:32 EST 2012
On Thursday 23 February 2012 04:12 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>
> Sala,
>
> It’s not improper for the IGC to support nominees submitted by
> other organisations, or positions advocated by other
> organisations. The Nomcom is only responsible for submitting and
> deciding on IGC nominees – I am not suggesting at all that we
> change that or add additional names to IGC nominations. I agree
> that would be improper. However I don’t see why we shouldn’t
> express support for nominees of other organisations.
>
> Thanks Ian for the clarification. I respectfully have some
> reservations and the issue is not APC but as a matter of principle. I
> had advised APC when they asked about their application in December
> that I was not aware of the Application as they had sent it to the
> NomCom Chair.
>
> [ There is room in the future to set up systems to ensure that a
> specific email address is especially set up to receive applications.
> This will ensure that there are automatic responses to the
> applications etc] On the other hand, I had asked for the Applications
> that APC sent in December, 2011, I noted that it did not comply with
> the specific instructions that were sent to the list. I cannot presume
> to know how APC's application was treated, that is whether it was
> rejected because it was not in the proper format or because it got
> lost etc. This is something that the NomCom Chair will have to clarify.
Since the nomcom report does not mention what happened, now what do we
do? I request that the coordinatros ask the nomcom to specifically tell
us in a report addendum what happened, failing which coordinators tell
us what happened. Such an important and basic thing pertaining to the
validity of the nomination process cannot remain a mystery.
We would not for example allow a government election process in India to
get away with it (well, how quite unthinkable, so much has the practice
of democracy progressed), much less can we allow a civil society
process to get away with it... We just must know what happened. You keep
mentioning about some 'extra-ordinary situation', what was it? If you
want you can share this information on a members only list, perhaps made
just for this purpose, but the information must come out.
parminder
> Having said that, you will recall that when the initial list of
> nominees were sent to me, I had to submit the names to the Secretariat
> and noted that they were submitted to me and some applications were
> not in the proper format. I then publicly advised candidates to comply
> with the instructions.
>
> There are other variables arising out of extraordinary circumstances
> that compound the issues. We do not have the best of circumstances but
> are making the best of the situation.
>
>
>
> After the NomCom does concludes its work, we can then look at all the
> lessons we can improve upon.
>
> The only reason we are discussing this at all is because of some
> sort of administrative stuff up that I don’t understand yet.
>
> You are correct. There are some *othe*r considerations which I am
> privy to. However you can trust that whilst we do not have an ideal
> situation or set of circumstances (it is a very tight rope from an
> administrative view), decisions are being made from the very narrow
> options.
>
> I appreciate that the Nomcom has attempted to make amends at the
> last moment but the simple fact is that due to some process issue
> some very good names were not considered.
>
> There is no contention, in retrospect, the absence of very clear
> procedural guidelines and "extraordinary circumstances" have led to
> the situation that we are facing. This process issue can in the future
> be improved with reforms of procedural guidelines to ensure that we do
> not have a repeat.
>
> Those good names of civil society people have been forwarded
> anyway. I think it is proper to indicate to the powers that be
> that we are supportive of those names being considered in addition
> to those IGC submitted, particularly in the circumstance where the
> number of names submitted by IGC is less than the number of
> vacancies that are out there to be filled.
>
> It is hoped that the NomCom will be able to send list of nominees that
> meet the quota in any regard. The only issue with supporting a list of
> names aside from those sent by the NomCom is to endanger the very list
> that the IGC will submit which is the NomCom's decision.
>
>
> Ian
>
>
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> *From: *"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>>
> *Date: *Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:11:43 +1200
> *To: *Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> <http://ian.peter@ianpeter.com>>
> *Cc: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>>, Thomas Lowenhaupt
> <toml at communisphere.com <http://toml@communisphere.com>>, Valeria
> Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org <http://valeriab@apc.org>>,
> <nomcom at lists.igcaucus.org <http://nomcom@lists.igcaucus.org>>,
> Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com
> <http://jam@jacquelinemorris.com>>, shaila mistry
> <shailam at yahoo.com <http://shailam@yahoo.com>>, Anriette
> Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org <http://anriette@apc.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> The selection is purely something for the NomCom to do without
> interference from any of us. Hence the decision to review or add
> names must be their decision solely and this is to preserve some
> level of independence. Once the NomCom makes the selection, the
> recommendations are then put forward by the IGC through the
> coordinators the Secretariat. In this case, one of the
> Coordinators is a nominee nad has recused himself from dealing
> with this administrative issue.
>
> For the IGC to indicate to the Secretariat support of APC's list
> of Nominees would be improper unless the APC list was within the
> basket of nominees that they were considering and decide on their
> own accord that they accept the candidates and list them with
> other nominees. In this instance, APC has withdrawn its list of
> candidates from the NomCom and the NomCom should only review the
> list of candidates within its current basket.
>
> Yes I agree that when the air is clearer, we can then discuss ways
> we can improve the processes etc.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
> <http://ian.peter@ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> As a quick way to deal with this, can the coordinators write
> to the relevant UN authority and express that, in addition to
> the names submitted, IGC is also supportive of the names
> submitted by APC? I think most people on this list would
> support such an action.
>
> (When the air is clearer I think there are a few things we
> need to learn from the issues that arose with this years
> Nomcom and a few matters that need further clarification. But
> for now, it would be good if IGC expressed support for the APC
> nominees. That’s an IGC decision, not a Nomcom one, and may be
> our easiest path forward in the circumstances.)
>
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
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> *From: *Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com
> <http://toml@communisphere.com> <http://toml@communisphere.com> >
> *Reply-To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >, Thomas Lowenhaupt
> <toml at communisphere.com <http://toml@communisphere.com>
> <http://toml@communisphere.com> >
>
> *Date: *Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:41:52 -0500
> *To: *Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org
> <http://valeriab@apc.org> <http://valeriab@apc.org> >
> *Cc: *"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro"
> <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com>
> <http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> >,
> <nomcom at lists.igcaucus.org <http://nomcom@lists.igcaucus.org>
> <http://nomcom@lists.igcaucus.org> >, Jacqueline Morris
> <jam at jacquelinemorris.com <http://jam@jacquelinemorris.com>
> <http://jam@jacquelinemorris.com> >, shaila mistry
> <shailam at yahoo.com <http://shailam@yahoo.com>
> <http://shailam@yahoo.com> >, Anriette Esterhuysen
> <anriette at apc.org <http://anriette@apc.org>
> <http://anriette@apc.org> >, <governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org>
> <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >
>
> *Subject: *[governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application
>
>
> All,
>
> The NomCom has been discussing _adding APC names_ to the list
> to be submitted, and _not subtracting_ those whom we had
> already selected, agreeing this would be unkind and unfair.
>
> If this agreeable, let us know.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom Lowenhaupt
>
> On 2/22/2012 10:28 AM, Valeria Betancourt wrote:
>
>
> Dear Sala and members of the IGC NomCom,
>
>
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>
>
>
> Given that APC's nominations for the MAG has been
> forwarded for the IGC NomCom for consideration, we would
> like to express that while we regret that the NomCom did
> not consider the names submitted by the APC in the first
> phase of the process, we would rather not have the process
> reopened as this is not fair to the current list of
> nominees. We have submitted our names directly to the
> Secretariat. We do hope that the IGC can clarify its
> procedures in the future.
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
> Valeria
>
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>
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