[governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application

Wed Feb 22 17:42:34 EST 2012

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:

>  Sala,
>
> It’s not improper for the IGC to support nominees submitted by other
> organisations, or positions advocated by other organisations. The Nomcom is
> only responsible for submitting and deciding on IGC nominees – I am not
> suggesting at all that we change that or add additional names to IGC
> nominations. I agree that would be improper. However I don’t see why we
> shouldn’t express support for nominees of other organisations.
>
>  Thanks Ian for the clarification. I respectfully have some reservations
and the issue is not APC but as a matter of principle. I had advised APC
when they asked about their application in December that I was not aware of
the Application as they had sent it to the NomCom Chair.

[ There is room in the future to set up systems to ensure that a specific
email address is especially set up to receive applications. This will
ensure that there are automatic responses to the applications etc] On the
other hand, I had asked for the Applications that APC sent in December,
2011, I noted that it did not comply with the specific instructions that
were sent to the list. I cannot presume to know how APC's application was
treated, that is whether it was rejected because it was not in the proper
format or because it got lost etc. This is something that the NomCom Chair
will have to clarify.
Having said that, you will recall that when the initial list of nominees
were sent to me, I had to submit the names to the Secretariat and noted
that they were submitted to me and some applications were not in the proper
format. I then publicly advised candidates to comply with the
instructions.

There are other variables arising out of extraordinary circumstances that
compound the issues. We do not have the best of circumstances but are
making the best of the situation.

After the NomCom does concludes its work, we can then look at all the
lessons we can improve upon.

The only reason we are discussing this at all is because of some sort of
> administrative stuff up that I don’t understand yet.
>
You are correct. There are some *othe*r considerations which I am privy to.
However you can trust that whilst we do not have an ideal situation or set
of circumstances (it is a very tight rope from an administrative view),
decisions are being made from the very narrow options.

> I appreciate that the Nomcom has attempted to make amends at the last
> moment but the simple fact is that due to some process issue some very good
> names were not considered.
>
> There is no contention, in retrospect,  the absence of very clear
procedural guidelines and "extraordinary circumstances" have led to the
situation that we are facing. This process issue can in the future be
improved with reforms of procedural guidelines to ensure that we do not
have a repeat.

Those good names of civil society people have been forwarded anyway. I
> think it is proper to indicate to the powers that be that we are supportive
> of those names being considered in addition to those IGC submitted,
> particularly in the circumstance where the number of names submitted by IGC
> is less than the number of vacancies that are out there to be filled.
>
It is hoped that the NomCom will be able to send list of nominees that meet
the quota in any regard. The only issue with supporting a list of names
aside from those sent by the NomCom is to endanger the very list that the
IGC will submit which is the NomCom's decision.

>
> Ian
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:11:43 +1200
> *To: *Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> *Cc: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org>, Thomas Lowenhaupt <
> toml at communisphere.com>, Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org>, <
> nomcom at lists.igcaucus.org>, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>,
> shaila mistry <shailam at yahoo.com>, Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> The selection is purely something for the NomCom to do without
> interference from any of us. Hence the decision to review or add names must
> be their decision solely and this is to preserve some level of
> independence. Once the NomCom makes the selection, the recommendations are
> then put forward by the IGC through the coordinators the Secretariat. In
> this case, one of the Coordinators is a nominee nad has recused himself
> from dealing with this administrative issue.
>
> For the IGC to indicate to the Secretariat support of APC's list of
> Nominees would be improper unless the APC list was within the basket of
> nominees that they were considering and decide on their own accord that
> they accept the candidates and list them with other nominees. In this
> instance, APC has withdrawn its list of candidates from the NomCom and the
> NomCom should only review the list of candidates within its current basket.
>
> Yes I agree that when the air is clearer, we can then discuss ways we can
> improve the processes etc.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> As a quick way to deal with this, can the coordinators write to the
> relevant UN authority and express that, in addition to the names submitted,
> IGC is also supportive of the names submitted by APC? I think most people
> on this list would support such an action.
>
> (When the air is clearer I think there are a few things we need to learn
> from the issues that arose with this years Nomcom and a few matters that
> need further clarification. But for now, it would be good if IGC expressed
> support for the APC nominees. That’s an IGC decision, not a Nomcom one, and
> may be our easiest path forward in the circumstances.)
>
>
> Ian Peter
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Thomas Lowenhaupt <toml at communisphere.com <
> http://toml@communisphere.com> >
> *Reply-To: *<governance at lists.igcaucus.org <
> http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >, Thomas Lowenhaupt <
> toml at communisphere.com <http://toml@communisphere.com> >
>
> *Date: *Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:41:52 -0500
> *To: *Valeria Betancourt <valeriab at apc.org <http://valeriab@apc.org> >
> *Cc: *"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com <
> http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com> >, <nomcom at lists.igcaucus.org<
> http://nomcom@lists.igcaucus.org> >, Jacqueline Morris <
> jam at jacquelinemorris.com <http://jam@jacquelinemorris.com> >, shaila
> mistry <shailam at yahoo.com <http://shailam@yahoo.com> >, Anriette
> Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org <http://anriette@apc.org> >, <
> governance at lists.igcaucus.org <http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org> >
>
> *Subject: *[governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application
>
>
>    All,
>
>  The NomCom has been discussing *adding APC names* to the list to be
> submitted, and *not subtracting* those whom we had already selected,
> agreeing this would be unkind and unfair.
>
>  If this agreeable, let us know.
>
>  Best,
>
>  Tom Lowenhaupt
>
>  On 2/22/2012 10:28 AM, Valeria Betancourt wrote:
>
>
> Dear Sala and members of the IGC NomCom,
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Given that APC's nominations for the MAG has been forwarded for the IGC
> NomCom for consideration, we would like to express that while we regret
> that the NomCom did not consider the names submitted by the APC in the
> first phase of the process, we would rather not have the process reopened
> as this is not fair to the current list of nominees.  We have submitted our
> names directly to the Secretariat.  We do hope that the IGC can clarify its
> procedures in the future.
>
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
> Valeria
>
>
>
>
>
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