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On Thursday 23 February 2012 04:12 AM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Ian Peter <span
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<div><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">Sala,<br>
<br>
It’s not improper for the IGC to support nominees submitted by other
organisations, or positions advocated by other organisations. The
Nomcom is only responsible for submitting and deciding on IGC nominees
– I am not suggesting at all that we change that or add additional
names to IGC nominations. I agree that would be improper. However I
don’t see why we shouldn’t express support for nominees of other
organisations.<br>
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<div> Thanks Ian for the clarification. I respectfully have some
reservations and the issue is not APC but as a matter of principle. I
had advised APC when they asked about their application in December
that I was not aware of the Application as they had sent it to the
NomCom Chair. <br>
<br>
[ There is room in the future to set up systems to ensure that a
specific email address is especially set up to receive applications.
This will ensure that there are automatic responses to the applications
etc] On the other hand, I had asked for the Applications that APC sent
in December, 2011, I noted that it did not comply with the specific
instructions that were sent to the list. I cannot presume to know how
APC's application was treated, that is whether it was rejected because
it was not in the proper format or because it got lost etc. This is
something that the NomCom Chair will have to clarify.<br>
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Since the nomcom report does not mention what happened, now what do we
do? I request that the coordinatros ask the nomcom to specifically tell
us in a report addendum what happened, failing which coordinators tell
us what happened. Such an important and basic thing pertaining to the
validity of the nomination process cannot remain a mystery. <br>
<br>
We would not for example allow a government election process in India
to get away with it (well, how quite unthinkable, so much has the
practice of democracy progressed), much less can we allow a civil
society process to get away with it... We just must know what happened.
You keep mentioning about some 'extra-ordinary situation', what was it?
If you want you can share this information on a members only list,
perhaps made just for this purpose, but the information must come out. <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div>Having said that, you will recall that when the initial list of
nominees were sent to me, I had to submit the names to the Secretariat
and noted that they were submitted to me and some applications were not
in the proper format. I then publicly advised candidates to comply with
the instructions. <br>
<br>
There are other variables arising out of extraordinary circumstances
that compound the issues. We do not have the best of circumstances but
are making the best of the situation.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
After the NomCom does concludes its work, we can then look at all the
lessons we can improve upon.<br>
<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">The only reason we are discussing this at all
is because of some sort of administrative stuff up that I don’t
understand yet. </span></font></div>
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<div>You are correct. There are some <b>othe</b>r considerations
which I am privy to. However you can trust that whilst we do not have
an ideal situation or set of circumstances (it is a very tight rope
from an administrative view), decisions are being made from the very
narrow options.<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">I appreciate that the Nomcom has attempted to
make amends at the last moment but the simple fact is that due to some
process issue some very good names were not considered.<br>
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<div>There is no contention, in retrospect, the absence of very
clear procedural guidelines and "extraordinary circumstances" have led
to the situation that we are facing. This process issue can in the
future be improved with reforms of procedural guidelines to ensure that
we do not have a repeat.<br>
<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;">Those good names of civil society people have
been forwarded anyway. I think it is proper to indicate to the powers
that be that we are supportive of those names being considered in
addition to those IGC submitted, particularly in the circumstance where
the number of names submitted by IGC is less than the number of
vacancies that are out there to be filled.<br>
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<div>It is hoped that the NomCom will be able to send list of
nominees that meet the quota in any regard. The only issue with
supporting a list of names aside from those sent by the NomCom is to
endanger the very list that the IGC will submit which is the NomCom's
decision.<br>
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Ian<br>
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<br>
<hr size="3" width="95%" align="CENTER"><b>From: </b>"Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Date: </b>Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:11:43 +1200<br>
<b>To: </b>Ian Peter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>,
Thomas Lowenhaupt <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://toml@communisphere.com" target="_blank">toml@communisphere.com</a>>,
Valeria Betancourt <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://valeriab@apc.org" target="_blank">valeriab@apc.org</a>>,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://nomcom@lists.igcaucus.org"
target="_blank">nomcom@lists.igcaucus.org</a>>, Jacqueline Morris
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target="_blank">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a>>, shaila mistry <<a
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Anriette Esterhuysen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application
<div class="im"><br>
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Dear All,<br>
<br>
The selection is purely something for the NomCom to do without
interference from any of us. Hence the decision to review or add names
must be their decision solely and this is to preserve some level of
independence. Once the NomCom makes the selection, the recommendations
are then put forward by the IGC through the coordinators the
Secretariat. In this case, one of the Coordinators is a nominee nad has
recused himself from dealing with this administrative issue.<br>
<br>
For the IGC to indicate to the Secretariat support of APC's list of
Nominees would be improper unless the APC list was within the basket of
nominees that they were considering and decide on their own accord that
they accept the candidates and list them with other nominees. In this
instance, APC has withdrawn its list of candidates from the NomCom and
the NomCom should only review the list of candidates within its current
basket.<br>
<br>
Yes I agree that when the air is clearer, we can then discuss ways we
can improve the processes etc. <br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Ian Peter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="im">All,<br>
<br>
As a quick way to deal with this, can the coordinators write to the
relevant UN authority and express that, in addition to the names
submitted, IGC is also supportive of the names submitted by APC? I
think most people on this list would support such an action.<br>
<br>
(When the air is clearer I think there are a few things we need to
learn from the issues that arose with this years Nomcom and a few
matters that need further clarification. But for now, it would be good
if IGC expressed support for the APC nominees. That’s an IGC decision,
not a Nomcom one, and may be our easiest path forward in the
circumstances.)<br>
<br>
<br>
Ian Peter<br>
<br>
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<b>From: </b>Thomas Lowenhaupt <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>, Thomas Lowenhaupt <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="im"><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:41:52 -0500<br>
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<b>To: </b>Valeria Betancourt <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://valeriab@apc.org" target="_blank">valeriab@apc.org</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://valeriab@apc.org"
target="_blank">http://valeriab@apc.org</a>> ><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <<a
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href="http://salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>
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>, <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://jam@jacquelinemorris.com"
target="_blank">http://jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a>> >, shaila
mistry <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://shailam@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">shailam@yahoo.com</a> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://shailam@yahoo.com" target="_blank">http://shailam@yahoo.com</a>>
>, Anriette Esterhuysen <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://anriette@apc.org"
target="_blank">http://anriette@apc.org</a>> >, <<a
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target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <<a
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<div class="im"><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[governance] Re: [nomcom] Re: APC's Application<br>
<br>
<br>
All,<br>
<br>
The NomCom has been discussing <u>adding APC names</u> to the list to
be submitted, and <u>not subtracting</u> those whom we had already
selected, agreeing this would be unkind and unfair. <br>
<br>
If this agreeable, let us know.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Tom Lowenhaupt<br>
<br>
On 2/22/2012 10:28 AM, Valeria Betancourt wrote: <br>
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</span><font size="1"><span style="font-size: 9pt;">Dear Sala
and members of the IGC NomCom, <br>
</span></font><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Given that APC's nominations for the MAG has been forwarded for the IGC
NomCom for consideration, we would like to express that while we regret
that the NomCom did not consider the names submitted by the APC in the
first phase of the process, we would rather not have the process
reopened as this is not fair to the current list of nominees. We have
submitted our names directly to the Secretariat. We do hope that the
IGC can clarify its procedures in the future.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Best, <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Valeria <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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