[governance] Open consultation
Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com
Fri Feb 17 14:10:34 EST 2012
Dear All,
These are excellent musings. If a few of you could work together to
consolidate this into a paper and send to the list for comments. Better
yet, utilise the etherpad on the IGC website, that would be fantastic.
Izumi can then take it up.
Kind Regards,
Sala
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Deirdre Williams <
williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with the general call for funding support for physical presence
> at these meetings, but I would like to consider that separately
>
> I think we have to try to win for Remote Participation the attention and
> priority that it deserves. I rather like Imran's proposal B (see below) -
> what do people think about proposing that a percentage of the meetings be
> set up as RP only? (maybe 50%???) I dislike the level playing field
> metaphor, but that would certainly level things A LOT. Of course there are
> many other things that need to be thought through carefully - like the time
> zone question - but I don't think that presents an insurmountable
> difficulty.
>
> An important 'other thing' is the point made earlier this week by Avri
> about bandwidth and reliable connectivity - those who have and those who
> don't. I've put it by itself because it is probably the most important of
> all in thinking about an RP only meeting.
>
> What do other people think?
>
> Deirdre
>
> On 17 February 2012 08:22, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ....
>>
>> B: If the IGF itself can not manage funds for its own MAG, why not all
>> the meetings goes Online with some Remote Partcipation through
>> Comprehensive Remote Meeting Application Tool.
>> ....
>>
>> Imran Ahmed Shah****
>> [from IGFPAK]
>>
>> *From:* Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr>
>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Baudouin SCHOMBE <
>> b.schombe at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 February 2012, 15:52
>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Open consultation
>>
>> Dear Baudoin and all
>>
>> Multistakeholderism is just an empty shell if large parts of CS cannot be
>> able to attend official "open" events where decisions or even
>> recommendations are made. Most, if not all, of these parts of CS orgs are
>> those from DCs, and the main, if not unique, point there is lack of funding.
>>
>> During the open (WSIS Forum 2012) preparatory meeting held in Geneva on
>> last November, EUROLINC, through the voice of its president Louis Pouzin,
>> made en official statement on this very point that suggested a financial
>> contribution from ICANN for this specific -Internet related- activity.
>>
>> Here is the link to this statement :
>> http://www.eurolinc.eu/spip.php?article77
>>
>> I wonder why nobody on the list mentions this important suggestion (i.a.
>> APC was present at this meeting).
>>
>> Imho, the proposal of EUROLONK is serious and documented. Therefore I'd
>> encourage CS involved in the IG process -the Caucus on IG in particular- to
>> strongly supports it.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>> CSDPTT France
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Message du 16/02/12 02:09
>> > De : "Baudouin SCHOMBE"
>> > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Deirdre Williams"
>> > Copie à :
>> > Objet : Re: [governance] Open consultation
>> >
>> > Hello Williams,
>> >
>> > I acquired your point of view because in fact a good communication in
>> a country like within a community is one of the prime factors in all
>> human relationships. The concerns raised last time this is not just the politicians,
>> scientists, technicians but different social groups represented by the
>> various entities of civil society must also be involved in discussions. With
>> this in mind, respecting building on the principle of multistakeholderism
>> , we thought our exchanges organized locally by relying on academic
>> institutions, private sector, ICT technicians, international agencies, subregional
>> and regional active instiutions in the country with civil society
>> entities that represent the users, ie consumers of ICT.
>> > Institutions designated by combining academic, we have 80% chance to set
>> up hub to allow people of the DRC to participate remotely, each as
>> possible, in discussions at local, sub regional, regional and
>> international levels.
>> >
>> > This process requires very good planning and that's what we have
>> already begun.
>> >
>> > The language aspect is also in the privileged position because in this
>> world of knowledge said, the language of communication has its very high
>> up.
>> > The national IGF is an indispensable support and essential for IGF subregional,
>> regional and international levels.
>> >
>> > Nothing durable can be designed if the nationals IGF are not
>> considered base in all these approaches.
>> >
>> > It is for this reason that even the level of funding, the
>> participation of active and useful really is becoming more problematic in
>> developing countries. We must think about it.
>> > We do not need the extras. Official delegations present but physically
>> absent in the debates or without any relevant contributions must also be
>> raised even if it is already always use the emblematic issue of "
>> sovereignty".
>> >
>> > It should also assess the active participation of official delegations.
>> >
>> > In short we need to talk and not exclude us.
>> >
>> >
>> SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
>> >
>> > Téléphone mobile:+243998983491
>> > email : b.schombe at gmail.com
>> > skype : b.schombe
>> > blog : http://akimambo.unblog.fr
>> > Site Web : www.ticafrica.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 2012/2/14 Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
>> >
>>
>> I should have sent this to the list yesterday.
>> Sorry it's so long.
>> Deirdre
>>
>> >
>> Comments from me and on submissions made by others:
>> There appears to be a need to change perspective. There has been a shift
>> so that now development is not only an issue between countries – north and
>> south – but can also be a stratification issue within countries – a rich
>> developed top layer and a poor underdeveloped lower layer both in the north
>> and in the south. This needs to be recognised.
>>
>> Remote participation (RP) needs an improved status. This is both a
>> technology issue and a recognition issue. The technology must make it
>> possible, and the recognition should as far as possible give it equal
>> status. There also need to be excellent remote participation moderators to
>> act as interface at meetings. And the issue of linguistic inclusion also
>> needs to be addressed with the possibility of several moderators covering
>> several different languages. I know this is a lot to ask for but equality
>> is not just an Anglophone quality. Perhaps initially willing face to face
>> participants could be ‘conscripted’ to provide inclusion in their various
>> languages.
>>
>> ISOC
>>
>> Remote participation
>> The growth in the number of remote hubs and the increase of remote
>> participants that
>> went with remote hubs is a basis to build on to overcome the challenge
>> and cost
>> of travel to attend meetings. – agree 100%
>>
>> National Regional IGFs
>> There is a need to enhance the exchange of reports between these two
>> interfaces to
>> continue and grow going forward. – definitely – perhaps a mechanism to do
>> this could be set up – or encouraged and improved?
>>
>> Funding
>> This model acts as a feedback mechanism, demonstrating that the IGF is of
>> value to its participants. – I have grave concerns where value is always
>> equated with money.
>>
>> we view the Internet as an enabler for a wide range of human rights, such
>> as the right to freedom of expression and opinion and access to information
>> and knowledge as well as the right to association - agree
>>
>> filtering be part of the main agenda of the 2012 IGF. DNS filtering is
>> increasingly used by governments to combat allegedly illegal online
>> activities, and this technical measure raises strong concerns, not only
>> with regard to the underlying Internet architecture, but also with regard
>> to due legal process and human rights, while not solving the problems at
>> their source. – this is certainly an issue, but I also find John Carr’s
>> arguments re blocking in the context of child pornography very convincing.
>> How to reconcile the unreconcilable?
>>
>> APC
>> In Nairobi, a concrete proposal to create a global internet governance
>> body was put on the
>> table by governments from developing countries (the IBSA proposal) ,
>> which resulted in
>> exactly the kind of intense and diverse debate that the IGF was created
>> for. APC applauds this kind of active agenda-setting of developing
>> countries as a positive step to counteract exclusion and the predominance
>> of developed country agendas as the typical starting points for discussion.
>> However as we see it the question about the best way to discuss
>> development in relation to internet governance remains unanswered – this is
>> what triggered my first comment (see above)
>> (Change the perspective – not so much countries, more social strata)
>>
>> The need for clearly-defined rules within which to operate, and an
>> appropriate level of
>> transparency was also highlighted - yes
>>
>> if data discrimination for mobile internet is a technical necessity, then
>> policy-makers must define and clearly outline the principles for governing
>> such practices. – yes, and there should be general harmonisation of policy
>> as much as possible.
>>
>> However, high prices remain a problem. Electricity is still widely
>> unavailable and mobile phones are often prohibitively expensive for the
>> poorest in society, and prices for mobile subscriptions are artificially
>> high due to licensing fees and competition issues. There is an urgent need
>> for these critical barriers to universal mobile internet to be addressed
>> through communications policy and strategy – yes. At least in Saint Lucia
>> there is a government tax of 15% on mobile services – a very healthy
>> revenue generator.
>>
>> the issue of conflict minerals needs to be on the agenda for the next
>> IGF. Policy-makers must establish clear guidelines and legislation that
>> address issues of traceability, accountability and responsibility in the
>> mineral procurement chain. – this also needs greater public awareness. Can
>> this be taken together with the issue of ICT waste and recycling?
>>
>> internet intermediary liability, the impact of restrictions on freedom of
>> expression and association, and responding to violence against women
>> online. - yes
>>
>> freedom of association online needs to be assigned the same level of
>> importance as freedom of expression has in IGF debates. Indeed the two are
>> inextricably linked and interdependent. - YES
>>
>> Balance between intellectual property rights and access to knowledge -YES
>>
>> Disparities in access between rich and poor, urban and rural areas serve
>> to exacerbate existing social inequalities. – see my first point above
>>
>> human rights be the main theme of IGF in 2012 – good idea
>>
>> internet access as a human right, freedom of expression and freedom of
>> association.
>> Human rights topics which became visible for the first time at the IGF
>> included:
>> • a human rights approach to mobile
>> • remedies for internet rights violations
>> • human rights and corporate responsibility
>> • the rights of disabled people and young people.
>>
>> (who speaks for whom? Profile of mag; consider the person or consider
>> the ideas; do outward and visible signs automatically contain the inferred
>> inward and spiritual grace? In other words how to balance the individual
>> profile of the representative with the broader profile of the constituency
>> represented)
>>
>> Human rights is the framework with which we judge the merits of ICT
>> policy. To us internet governance has to assume a rights-based framework.
>> Business and technical decisions do not exist in a vacuum; they must be
>> informed and measured by respect for the rights and wellbeing of the people
>> who will be using technology
>> We need more cross-pollination between business, law enforcement, civil
>> society and the
>> technical communities. Rather than talking about each other, we should
>> be speaking to each other – YES AND YES AND YES
>>
>> NRO
>> Remote Participation was improved in 2011 compared to 2010, but there is
>> still much to be
>> done to improve this important tool for strengthening accessibility. –
>> see above
>> • Continue to encourage Regional Hubs and support greater direct
>> participation between them
>> and the IGF sessions in order to allow a bidirectional flow of
>> discussions – see above
>>
>> Build a link between Regional IG discussions and the MAG for feedback and
>> information
>> Sharing – see above
>>
>>
>>
>> >
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>> > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>> >
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