[governance] Open consultation
Baudouin SCHOMBE
b.schombe at gmail.com
Sat Feb 18 11:37:26 EST 2012
Hi Sala and all
This is a very good idea. Given the instability of the internet as we know
it frequently in Kinshasa, I will not be able to do this job quickly. If
anyone can help us to do it?
SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
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2012/2/17 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> Dear All,
>
> These are excellent musings. If a few of you could work together to
> consolidate this into a paper and send to the list for comments. Better
> yet, utilise the etherpad on the IGC website, that would be fantastic.
>
> Izumi can then take it up.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Sala
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Deirdre Williams <
> williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with the general call for funding support for physical presence
>> at these meetings, but I would like to consider that separately
>>
>> I think we have to try to win for Remote Participation the attention and
>> priority that it deserves. I rather like Imran's proposal B (see below) -
>> what do people think about proposing that a percentage of the meetings be
>> set up as RP only? (maybe 50%???) I dislike the level playing field
>> metaphor, but that would certainly level things A LOT. Of course there are
>> many other things that need to be thought through carefully - like the time
>> zone question - but I don't think that presents an insurmountable
>> difficulty.
>>
>> An important 'other thing' is the point made earlier this week by Avri
>> about bandwidth and reliable connectivity - those who have and those who
>> don't. I've put it by itself because it is probably the most important of
>> all in thinking about an RP only meeting.
>>
>> What do other people think?
>>
>> Deirdre
>>
>> On 17 February 2012 08:22, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ....
>>>
>>> B: If the IGF itself can not manage funds for its own MAG, why not all
>>> the meetings goes Online with some Remote Partcipation through
>>> Comprehensive Remote Meeting Application Tool.
>>> ....
>>>
>>> Imran Ahmed Shah****
>>> [from IGFPAK]
>>>
>>> *From:* Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr>
>>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Baudouin SCHOMBE <
>>> b.schombe at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, 17 February 2012, 15:52
>>> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Open consultation
>>>
>>> Dear Baudoin and all
>>>
>>> Multistakeholderism is just an empty shell if large parts of CS cannot
>>> be able to attend official "open" events where decisions or even
>>> recommendations are made. Most, if not all, of these parts of CS orgs are
>>> those from DCs, and the main, if not unique, point there is lack of funding.
>>>
>>> During the open (WSIS Forum 2012) preparatory meeting held in Geneva on
>>> last November, EUROLINC, through the voice of its president Louis Pouzin,
>>> made en official statement on this very point that suggested a financial
>>> contribution from ICANN for this specific -Internet related- activity.
>>>
>>> Here is the link to this statement :
>>> http://www.eurolinc.eu/spip.php?article77
>>>
>>> I wonder why nobody on the list mentions this important suggestion (i.a.
>>> APC was present at this meeting).
>>>
>>> Imho, the proposal of EUROLONK is serious and documented. Therefore I'd
>>> encourage CS involved in the IG process -the Caucus on IG in particular- to
>>> strongly supports it.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Jean-Louis Fullsack
>>> CSDPTT France
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Message du 16/02/12 02:09
>>> > De : "Baudouin SCHOMBE"
>>> > A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Deirdre Williams"
>>> > Copie à :
>>> > Objet : Re: [governance] Open consultation
>>> >
>>> > Hello Williams,
>>> >
>>> > I acquired your point of view because in fact a good communication in
>>> a country like within a community is one of the prime factors in all
>>> human relationships. The concerns raised last time this is not just the politicians,
>>> scientists, technicians but different social groups represented by the
>>> various entities of civil society must also be involved in discussions. With
>>> this in mind, respecting building on the principle of
>>> multistakeholderism, we thought our exchanges organized locally by
>>> relying on academic institutions, private sector, ICT technicians,
>>> international agencies, subregional and regional active instiutions in
>>> the country with civil society entities that represent the users, ie
>>> consumers of ICT.
>>> > Institutions designated by combining academic, we have 80% chance to set
>>> up hub to allow people of the DRC to participate remotely, each as
>>> possible, in discussions at local, sub regional, regional and
>>> international levels.
>>> >
>>> > This process requires very good planning and that's what we have
>>> already begun.
>>> >
>>> > The language aspect is also in the privileged position because in this
>>> world of knowledge said, the language of communication has its very high
>>> up.
>>> > The national IGF is an indispensable support and essential for IGF subregional,
>>> regional and international levels.
>>> >
>>> > Nothing durable can be designed if the nationals IGF are not
>>> considered base in all these approaches.
>>> >
>>> > It is for this reason that even the level of funding, the
>>> participation of active and useful really is becoming more problematic
>>> in developing countries. We must think about it.
>>> > We do not need the extras. Official delegations present but physically
>>> absent in the debates or without any relevant contributions must also be
>>> raised even if it is already always use the emblematic issue of "
>>> sovereignty".
>>> >
>>> > It should also assess the active participation of official delegations
>>> .
>>> >
>>> > In short we need to talk and not exclude us.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> SCHOMBE BAUDOUIN
>>> >
>>> > Téléphone mobile:+243998983491
>>> > email : b.schombe at gmail.com
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>>> > Site Web : www.ticafrica.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 2012/2/14 Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>>
>>> I should have sent this to the list yesterday.
>>> Sorry it's so long.
>>> Deirdre
>>>
>>> >
>>> Comments from me and on submissions made by others:
>>> There appears to be a need to change perspective. There has been a
>>> shift so that now development is not only an issue between countries –
>>> north and south – but can also be a stratification issue within countries –
>>> a rich developed top layer and a poor underdeveloped lower layer both in
>>> the north and in the south. This needs to be recognised.
>>>
>>> Remote participation (RP) needs an improved status. This is both a
>>> technology issue and a recognition issue. The technology must make it
>>> possible, and the recognition should as far as possible give it equal
>>> status. There also need to be excellent remote participation moderators to
>>> act as interface at meetings. And the issue of linguistic inclusion also
>>> needs to be addressed with the possibility of several moderators covering
>>> several different languages. I know this is a lot to ask for but equality
>>> is not just an Anglophone quality. Perhaps initially willing face to face
>>> participants could be ‘conscripted’ to provide inclusion in their various
>>> languages.
>>>
>>> ISOC
>>>
>>> Remote participation
>>> The growth in the number of remote hubs and the increase of remote
>>> participants that
>>> went with remote hubs is a basis to build on to overcome the challenge
>>> and cost
>>> of travel to attend meetings. – agree 100%
>>>
>>> National Regional IGFs
>>> There is a need to enhance the exchange of reports between these two
>>> interfaces to
>>> continue and grow going forward. – definitely – perhaps a mechanism to
>>> do this could be set up – or encouraged and improved?
>>>
>>> Funding
>>> This model acts as a feedback mechanism, demonstrating that the IGF is
>>> of value to its participants. – I have grave concerns where value is always
>>> equated with money.
>>>
>>> we view the Internet as an enabler for a wide range of human rights,
>>> such as the right to freedom of expression and opinion and access to
>>> information and knowledge as well as the right to association - agree
>>>
>>> filtering be part of the main agenda of the 2012 IGF. DNS filtering is
>>> increasingly used by governments to combat allegedly illegal online
>>> activities, and this technical measure raises strong concerns, not only
>>> with regard to the underlying Internet architecture, but also with regard
>>> to due legal process and human rights, while not solving the problems at
>>> their source. – this is certainly an issue, but I also find John Carr’s
>>> arguments re blocking in the context of child pornography very convincing.
>>> How to reconcile the unreconcilable?
>>>
>>> APC
>>> In Nairobi, a concrete proposal to create a global internet governance
>>> body was put on the
>>> table by governments from developing countries (the IBSA proposal) ,
>>> which resulted in
>>> exactly the kind of intense and diverse debate that the IGF was created
>>> for. APC applauds this kind of active agenda-setting of developing
>>> countries as a positive step to counteract exclusion and the predominance
>>> of developed country agendas as the typical starting points for discussion.
>>> However as we see it the question about the best way to discuss
>>> development in relation to internet governance remains unanswered – this is
>>> what triggered my first comment (see above)
>>> (Change the perspective – not so much countries, more social strata)
>>>
>>> The need for clearly-defined rules within which to operate, and an
>>> appropriate level of
>>> transparency was also highlighted - yes
>>>
>>> if data discrimination for mobile internet is a technical necessity,
>>> then policy-makers must define and clearly outline the principles for
>>> governing such practices. – yes, and there should be general harmonisation
>>> of policy as much as possible.
>>>
>>> However, high prices remain a problem. Electricity is still widely
>>> unavailable and mobile phones are often prohibitively expensive for the
>>> poorest in society, and prices for mobile subscriptions are artificially
>>> high due to licensing fees and competition issues. There is an urgent need
>>> for these critical barriers to universal mobile internet to be addressed
>>> through communications policy and strategy – yes. At least in Saint Lucia
>>> there is a government tax of 15% on mobile services – a very healthy
>>> revenue generator.
>>>
>>> the issue of conflict minerals needs to be on the agenda for the next
>>> IGF. Policy-makers must establish clear guidelines and legislation that
>>> address issues of traceability, accountability and responsibility in the
>>> mineral procurement chain. – this also needs greater public awareness. Can
>>> this be taken together with the issue of ICT waste and recycling?
>>>
>>> internet intermediary liability, the impact of restrictions on freedom
>>> of expression and association, and responding to violence against women
>>> online. - yes
>>>
>>> freedom of association online needs to be assigned the same level of
>>> importance as freedom of expression has in IGF debates. Indeed the two are
>>> inextricably linked and interdependent. - YES
>>>
>>> Balance between intellectual property rights and access to knowledge -YES
>>>
>>> Disparities in access between rich and poor, urban and rural areas serve
>>> to exacerbate existing social inequalities. – see my first point above
>>>
>>> human rights be the main theme of IGF in 2012 – good idea
>>>
>>> internet access as a human right, freedom of expression and freedom of
>>> association.
>>> Human rights topics which became visible for the first time at the IGF
>>> included:
>>> • a human rights approach to mobile
>>> • remedies for internet rights violations
>>> • human rights and corporate responsibility
>>> • the rights of disabled people and young people.
>>>
>>> (who speaks for whom? Profile of mag; consider the person or consider
>>> the ideas; do outward and visible signs automatically contain the inferred
>>> inward and spiritual grace? In other words how to balance the individual
>>> profile of the representative with the broader profile of the constituency
>>> represented)
>>>
>>> Human rights is the framework with which we judge the merits of ICT
>>> policy. To us internet governance has to assume a rights-based framework.
>>> Business and technical decisions do not exist in a vacuum; they must be
>>> informed and measured by respect for the rights and wellbeing of the people
>>> who will be using technology
>>> We need more cross-pollination between business, law enforcement, civil
>>> society and the
>>> technical communities. Rather than talking about each other, we should
>>> be speaking to each other – YES AND YES AND YES
>>>
>>> NRO
>>> Remote Participation was improved in 2011 compared to 2010, but there is
>>> still much to be
>>> done to improve this important tool for strengthening accessibility. –
>>> see above
>>> • Continue to encourage Regional Hubs and support greater direct
>>> participation between them
>>> and the IGF sessions in order to allow a bidirectional flow of
>>> discussions – see above
>>>
>>> Build a link between Regional IG discussions and the MAG for feedback
>>> and information
>>> Sharing – see above
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> --
>>> > “The fundamental cure for poverty is not money but knowledge" Sir
>>> William Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
>>> >
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>> Arthur Lewis, Nobel Prize Economics, 1979
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