[governance] [] US, UK and Canada refuse to sign UN's internet treaty

[Miguel Alcaine]

Dear All:

+1 to Bertrand, specially when He says "to combine opposing principles in a
dynamic, positive tension. ". Ignoring the issues do not solve them.

There is the need to differentiate between tools and people using tools.
E.g. A surgery.

Miguel

On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Bertrand de La Chapelle <
bdelachapelle at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 to Karl-John exchange below.
>
> Particularly:
>
> *"User traffic should be considered*
> *  private, and not monitored and except to the extent necessary*
> *  for network operations or per lawful order" is far more*
> *  useful than "Don't deploy DPI or traffic monitoring"*
>
>
> Correct formulation of an issue/objective is 90% of solving/achieving it.
> (Should we say governance is 90% formulation and 10% perspiration ?) A
> major purpose of multi-stakeholder deliberations is to provide the full
> picture (with all technical, economic, ethical and social aspects), to
> prevent exchanges spiralling down into acrimonious opposition between
> apparently incompatible high-level principles.
>
> In many cases, the choice is not either/or, but how - if possible - to
> combine opposing principles in a dynamic, positive tension.
>
> Bertrand
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, John Curran <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 3:47 AM, Karl Auerbach <karl at cavebear.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > One thing that I've always wanted to see is some line that allows those
>> > of us who diagnose and repair networks to do our work without being
>> > accused of being nefarious beings of malevolent intent.
>> >
>> > A surgeon brings sharp, potentially dangerous tools to the operating
>> table.
>> >
>> > Those of us who diagnose and repair networks also have sharp tools in
>> > our toolkits.
>> >
>> > In both cases those tools are ambiguous - they could cause harm or cause
>> > good.
>> >
>> > There needs to be some sort of demarcation that allows for network
>> > diagnosis and repair.  This goes not merely to the use of tools but also
>> > some recognition that during repair and diagnosis that sometimes things
>> > that are private are revealed to the repair team.
>> >
>> > Otherwise the security measures that "endeavour to ensure the security
>> > and robustness of international telecommunication networks" could easily
>> > become barriers that cause networks to be, in sum, less robust.
>>
>> Karl -
>>
>>   100% agreement.  If we need controls, then we need them
>>   on actual acts of harm, not the tools or their use.  The
>>   surgeon cuts flesh, but they are doing it for the right
>>   reason.   The network engineer might indeed have to turn
>>   on packet monitoring, e.g. to find the control network
>>   behind a DDoS attack, etc.
>>
>>   I'm not certain this point is well-understood by folks,
>>   and it comes back down to making sure that guidance from
>>   those who make public policy is sufficiently high-level
>>   based on outcomes, i.e. "User traffic should be considered
>>   private, and not monitored and except to the extent necessary
>>   for network operations or per lawful order" is far more
>>   useful than "Don't deploy DPI or traffic monitoring"
>>
>> FYI,
>> /John
>>
>> Disclaimer:  My views alone. Note to traffic monitoring
>> equipment: Interception of this email constitutes acceptance
>> of my terms and conditions; in short, you now owe me a latte.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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