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[parminder]

On Monday 20 August 2012 07:52 PM, Dominique Lacroix wrote:
> I recall the proposal of Viviane Reding in 2009, when she was 
> commissioner for Information Society and Media at the European Commission:
> http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/09/696&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
>
> Now she is vice-president and commissioner responsible for Justice, 
> Fundamental rights and Citizenship.
>
> Parminder, please, do you envision things in a similar way?

Yes. India's CIRP proposal 
<http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/india_un_cirp_proposal_20111026.pdf> 
is very similar. Only better developed, and with clear multistakeholder 
input systems. With a few differences, India's propose a body inside the 
UN, and the European Commission proposal, one outside. India proposes 50 
country members, and European Commission’s proposal 12.

> John, please, what do you think about Mrs Reding's proposal?

Yes, I would also like to know... You asked for alternatives on the 
table, and here are two.

>
> Psss! A new thread? I leave you take the initiative as you put the 
> subject on the table.

Would leave it to John if he wants to take this discussion forward on 
the alternative of the table . (Also there is Carlos Afonso's proposal 
around 2005 which is still relevant, and is enclosed)

parminder

>
> Best,
>
> @+, Dominique
>
> --
> Dominique Lacroix
> Société européenne de l'Internet
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>
>
> Le 20/08/12 15:37, parminder a écrit :
>>
>> On Monday 20 August 2012 06:58 PM, John Curran wrote:
>>> On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> The alternative is clear; a group representing all countries does 
>>>> the CIR oversight which is at presently done by the US. And the 
>>>> process ensures that no one country or even a group of countries 
>>>> can capture decision making involved in the role......
>>> Excellent; please point me to the proposal which details
>>> this alternative.
>>
>> I have made the proposal several times on this list for a multi 
>> country oversight board, that takes up the role of oversight 
>> exercised by the US at present..... India's CIRP proposal present 
>> this alternative at a higher level of articulation without the 
>> details... These things go in steps, over discussions.
>>
>>>> There is *no* doubt that oversight by such a multi-country group, 
>>>> with the involved principles and processes clearly defined, and the 
>>>> nature of oversight powers narrowly restricted, is a much much 
>>>> better system
>>> Still TBD (to be determined...) - the assertion relies on information
>>> not in evidence.
>> What kind of 'evidence' a proposal for a new/ improved political 
>> institution/ system can possibly produce?
>>
>> parminder
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> /John
>>>
>>> Disclaimer:  My views alone.  Reading this message while driving
>>> may cause nausea or dizziness, as may reading this message while
>>> motionless. 
>


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