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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 20 August 2012 07:52 PM,
Dominique Lacroix wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I recall the proposal of Viviane
Reding in 2009, when she was commissioner for Information
Society and Media at the European Commission:<br>
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<span class="st">vice-president and commissioner responsible for
Justice, Fundamental rights and Citizenship.<br>
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</span>Parminder, please, do you envision things in a similar
way?<br>
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Yes. India's <a
href="http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/india_un_cirp_proposal_20111026.pdf">CIRP
proposal</a> is very similar. Only better developed, and with
clear multistakeholder input systems. With a few differences,
India's propose a body inside the UN, and the European Commission
proposal, one outside. India proposes 50 country members, and
European Commission’s proposal 12. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> John, please, what do you think
about Mrs Reding's proposal?<br>
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Yes, I would also like to know... You asked for alternatives on the
table, and here are two.<br>
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Psss! A new thread? I leave you take the initiative as you put
the subject on the table.<br>
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Would leave it to John if he wants to take this discussion forward
on the alternative of the table . (Also there is Carlos Afonso's
proposal around 2005 which is still relevant, and is enclosed)<br>
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parminder<br>
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Best,<br>
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@+, Dominique<br>
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Le 20/08/12 15:37, parminder a écrit :<br>
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On Monday 20 August 2012 06:58 PM, John Curran wrote: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Aug 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, parminder <a
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<blockquote type="cite">The alternative is clear; a group
representing all countries does the CIR oversight which is
at presently done by the US. And the process ensures that no
one country or even a group of countries can capture
decision making involved in the role...... <br>
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Excellent; please point me to the proposal which details <br>
this alternative. <br>
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I have made the proposal several times on this list for a multi
country oversight board, that takes up the role of oversight
exercised by the US at present..... India's CIRP proposal
present this alternative at a higher level of articulation
without the details... These things go in steps, over
discussions. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">There is *no* doubt that oversight by
such a multi-country group, with the involved principles and
processes clearly defined, and the nature of oversight
powers narrowly restricted, is a much much better system <br>
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Still TBD (to be determined...) - the assertion relies on
information <br>
not in evidence. <br>
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What kind of 'evidence' a proposal for a new/ improved political
institution/ system can possibly produce? <br>
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parminder <br>
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Thanks! <br>
/John <br>
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