[governance] FW: [csisac-members] MEASURING the Internet Economy

[Ginger Paque]

This is an interesting discussion, touching upon the limitations
of knowledge and discussion themselves -- the rationality of science (or
art) and measurement, (do we measure what we find, or find what we
measure?) what is hard-wired, and where do emotions, biases and evolution
meet rational thought, philosophy and politics? Quite a range... So I found
this Blog post from Jovan Kurbalija this week, "What do black swans, CERN,
Voltaire, Rousseau and Borges have in common?" (he calls it "a Geneva
epistemological journey") to be an appropriate aside... I think you will
enjoy it.


http://deepdip.wordpress.com/2011/08/31/what-do-black-swans-cern-voltaire-rousseau-and-borges-have-in-common/

Ginger

On 1 September 2011 07:18, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:

>
>
> On 31.08.11 23:07, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
>> If you can think of some simple way around this problem, more power to
>> you. You'll get the Nobel prize. But please don't trivialize the difficulty
>> of this problem, or attribute it to a conspiracy of evil neoliberals. (In
>> fact, Chinese and Soviet Marxists are famous for putting the most emphasis
>> on the production of physical goods and touting such statistics as proof of
>> the superiority of socialism).
>>
>
> This one reserved response, although some of the other points you debated
> are important. Take it however you like, that will not change history.
>
> But... believe it or not "they produce more so they claim to be superior"
> is what that (most call it "comunist" although it never ever claimed to have
> reached the 'communism' level) -- is exactly what was attributed to the
> "other side", that is "The Imperialism".
>
> So you see, both parties in that cold war pointed fingers at each other and
> claimed that the other side is practicing what the other side was accusing
> them of. Funny world.
>
> In reality however (having lived in the last decades of that system and the
> 'new' system thereafter), I can definitely claim that you are wrong. That
> system, possibly not a motivation but as a side effect (we will never know)
> has assigned lower priority to greed and production/consumption - it had
> significantly more focus on non-monetary benefits. Such as education and
> social benefits. Also, production was much, much lower.
> I do remember well our grandparent's opinion on this --- they have lived
> before/during WW2 and could compare the quality of life before/during/after
> that system --- and their opinion was very strong on this. So strong, that
> for decades now we have the situation that the primary voters for the former
> Communist (now, Socialist) Party were the so called "red grandmothers" --
> who still lived in the past and their good memories were abused.
>
> That system was far from perfect, of course. But your assertion about focus
> on production is plain wrong. This all however is quite off-topic.
>
> Except, by the way, we started our work on Internet in Bulgaria during that
> system. Without the government even knowing it. Or the next few governments.
>
> Daniel
>
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