[governance] FW: [csisac-members] MEASURING the Internet Economy

[Daniel Kalchev]

On 31.08.11 23:07, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> If you can think of some simple way around this problem, more power to 
> you. You'll get the Nobel prize. But please don't trivialize the 
> difficulty of this problem, or attribute it to a conspiracy of evil 
> neoliberals. (In fact, Chinese and Soviet Marxists are famous for 
> putting the most emphasis on the production of physical goods and 
> touting such statistics as proof of the superiority of socialism).

This one reserved response, although some of the other points you 
debated are important. Take it however you like, that will not change 
history.

But... believe it or not "they produce more so they claim to be 
superior" is what that (most call it "comunist" although it never ever 
claimed to have reached the 'communism' level) -- is exactly what was 
attributed to the "other side", that is "The Imperialism".

So you see, both parties in that cold war pointed fingers at each other 
and claimed that the other side is practicing what the other side was 
accusing them of. Funny world.

In reality however (having lived in the last decades of that system and 
the 'new' system thereafter), I can definitely claim that you are wrong. 
That system, possibly not a motivation but as a side effect (we will 
never know) has assigned lower priority to greed and 
production/consumption - it had significantly more focus on non-monetary 
benefits. Such as education and social benefits. Also, production was 
much, much lower.
I do remember well our grandparent's opinion on this --- they have lived 
before/during WW2 and could compare the quality of life 
before/during/after that system --- and their opinion was very strong on 
this. So strong, that for decades now we have the situation that the 
primary voters for the former Communist (now, Socialist) Party were the 
so called "red grandmothers" -- who still lived in the past and their 
good memories were abused.

That system was far from perfect, of course. But your assertion about 
focus on production is plain wrong. This all however is quite off-topic.

Except, by the way, we started our work on Internet in Bulgaria during 
that system. Without the government even knowing it. Or the next few 
governments.

Daniel
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