[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Wed Nov 9 10:35:52 EST 2011

It appears to me, as the (wo)man in the street, with perhaps a little more
technical knowledge than average but with no claim at all on technical
expertise, that this is not a specifically technical problem. Further, from
the explanations that everyone is offering, the risk involved is a risk
associated with individual human error and is a comparatively minor risk.
And finally - my own personal agenda - within a global context it makes me
uncomfortable that the Latin script should be allowed preferential
treatment. I understand that Latin script/ascii code was where it all
began. I understand that, that being the case, if the identical symbol is
used in more than one script then for practical reasons the "second" script
will have to defer to the first, and it seems that people already agree
about that necessity. Otherwise than that I think that "the benefit of the
doubt" should be exercised on the side of the non-Latin scripts.
Power needs to be exercised with balance. ICANN has the power, "we" provide
the balance.
Unless ICANN can demonstrate that EITHER this is a technical problem OR
that it has carried out a wide survey of a couple of billion people like me
and the majority claims to be confused by the two strings, then it seems to
me that Bulgaria should get what it is asking for.
I dislike having 3 person expert panels deciding for me what confuses me :-)
Based on the knowledge I currently have I would suggest that Bulgaria be
given .бг
I hope I have answered your question. Sorry to be so wordy.
Deirdre

On 9 November 2011 10:43, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks Deirdre, you are right, you have given a good statement and example.
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> So, are you agree that its ICANN function to resolve it?****
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> *From:* governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Deirdre Williams
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 09, 2011 04:12 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.cpsr.org; Daniel Kalchev
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> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg)
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> Which is what I meant by "has anyone asked us?" ****
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> It is probably no longer politically correct to describe an argument as
> "jesuitical", but prevaricating, dissembling and equivocating still work.
> As someone else said earlier - if there is a technical issue then it
> becomes ICANN's responsibility to work towards its resolution. Human error
> has to be left with humans.****
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> The computer is dealing with a pattern of on and off - 0 and 1. That
> pattern must be unique otherwise the thing won't work. If I am not paying
> attention and click on the wrong link then that becomes my problem, as well
> as if I don't read the signs properly when driving and turn down the wrong
> road. ****
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> If the strings "behind" .$% and .@& are the same, that is ICANN's
> (IANA's) function, that is what the institutions were set up for, and we
> rely on them to fix it
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> On 9 November 2011 05:10, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:****
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> On 08.11.11 14:44, Adam Peake wrote:****
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> I'm guessing (a technically ignorant guess) that for a Bulgarian IDN
> ccTLD, registrars should be able to recognize if the string someone was
> trying to register was Cyrillic or not. So, for example, anything that
> contained ascii could automatically be rejected. Not correct? Not eyes that
> recognize, but software.****
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> Your guessing is correct. But... :)
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> It is not computers that may be confused. For computers, these are utterly
> different strings. In fact, for a computer, any string, no matter how
> 'similar' someone claims it to be, as long as it has even a single
> different bit - is different. period.
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> Now, about humans... I have been discussing this with a lot of people all
> the way since this saga began. Human brain works in such a way, that humans
> do not recognize individual letters, nor they care of their similarity to
> any other individual letter. Humans recognize words. Now, before someone
> jumps in to say domain names are not words (*) just hold on a bit.
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> There is this famous English saying "it all looks greek to me" (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me)
> It says it all.
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> It is not only Cyrillic using users that will immediately recognize any
> text containing Cyrillic or ASCII as different, but also the typical
> America will too. They may not know that this is Cyrillic or Greek, but
> they will know it is not ASCII, or rather it is "strange characters". Or in
> our context: oh, this is one of those funny IDN domains.****
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> So I am guessing it would be possible to ensure no ascii string could be
> registered under IDN .BG, and if that were so then the chance of having a
> confusing string under either .BR or IDN .BG would be remote.****
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> It is not only possible. It is certain that there will be no ASCII
> sub-domains under .бг
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