[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Wed Nov 9 12:01:54 EST 2011

> Unless ICANN can demonstrate that EITHER this is a technical problem 

Under the Fast Track program, there is no template or frame of work was given to ICANN to demonstrate to justify the DNS Panel recommendation and its own rejection.

We have to develop a proposal for ICANN to review the issue of lacking of the dispute resolution mechanism. 

> problem OR that it has carried out a wide survey of a couple of billion people like me and the majority claims to be confused by the two strings 

We should not assume that ICANN has need to justify his decision or its power need balance, and if we want to resolve the issue in favor of applicant, we should follow some good governance.

[IAS:] What do we think about the competency of the technical experts of the panels or the working groups. Even they are competent enough of some degree, what is their own experience with the specific problem and willingness to study the problem to resolve it or just to refuse them. A medical doctor diagnoses disease-A of a person and prescribe antibiotic while second doctor says that we should avoid antibiotic, and at the same time the third doctor give his statement that this patient has disease-B not the disease-A and recommends antibiotic-D and next doctor rejects all other’s diagnosis and prescriptions and advise the needs immediate surgery otherwise refuse the patient and return him at home that dieses is at the stage that is beyond any treatment, just pray for him. 

It is fact that these examples of the issues are new to the Internet for the world and for the world most prime brains as well. But the problem is becoming critical because there is no relaxation or appeal procedure available in the Fast Track Program to address the string re-evaluation request before its delegations or after the declaration of the results mid of the way.

Imran

From: Deirdre Williams [mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 08:36 PM
To: ias_pk at yahoo.com
Cc: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Daniel Kalchev
Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

It appears to me, as the (wo)man in the street, with perhaps a little more technical knowledge than average but with no claim at all on technical expertise, that this is not a specifically technical problem. Further, from the explanations that everyone is offering, the risk involved is a risk associated with individual human error and is a comparatively minor risk. And finally - my own personal agenda - within a global context it makes me uncomfortable that the Latin script should be allowed preferential treatment. I understand that Latin script/ascii code was where it all began. I understand that, that being the case, if the identical symbol is used in more than one script then for practical reasons the "second" script will have to defer to the first, and it seems that people already agree about that necessity. Otherwise than that I think that "the benefit of the doubt" should be exercised on the side of the non-Latin scripts.

Power needs to be exercised with balance. ICANN has the power, "we" provide the balance. 

Unless ICANN can demonstrate that EITHER this is a technical problem OR that it has carried out a wide survey of a couple of billion people like me and the majority claims to be confused by the two strings, then it seems to me that Bulgaria should get what it is asking for.

I dislike having 3 person expert panels deciding for me what confuses me :-)

Based on the knowledge I currently have I would suggest that Bulgaria be given .бг 

I hope I have answered your question. Sorry to be so wordy.

Deirdre

On 9 November 2011 10:43, Imran Ahmed Shah <ias_pk at yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks Deirdre, you are right, you have given a good statement and example.

So, are you agree that its ICANN function to resolve it?

Regards

Imran Ahmad Shah

From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Deirdre Williams
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 04:12 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Daniel Kalchev

Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .?? (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Which is what I meant by "has anyone asked us?" 

It is probably no longer politically correct to describe an argument as "jesuitical", but prevaricating, dissembling and equivocating still work. As someone else said earlier - if there is a technical issue then it becomes ICANN's responsibility to work towards its resolution. Human error has to be left with humans.

The computer is dealing with a pattern of on and off - 0 and 1. That pattern must be unique otherwise the thing won't work. If I am not paying attention and click on the wrong link then that becomes my problem, as well as if I don't read the signs properly when driving and turn down the wrong road. 

If the strings "behind" .$% and .@ <mailto:.@&> & are the same, that is ICANN's (IANA's) function, that is what the institutions were set up for, and we rely on them to fix it
Deirdre

On 9 November 2011 05:10, Daniel Kalchev <daniel at digsys.bg> wrote:

On 08.11.11 14:44, Adam Peake wrote:

I'm guessing (a technically ignorant guess) that for a Bulgarian IDN ccTLD, registrars should be able to recognize if the string someone was trying to register was Cyrillic or not. So, for example, anything that contained ascii could automatically be rejected. Not correct? Not eyes that recognize, but software.

Your guessing is correct. But... :)

It is not computers that may be confused. For computers, these are utterly different strings. In fact, for a computer, any string, no matter how 'similar' someone claims it to be, as long as it has even a single different bit - is different. period.

Now, about humans... I have been discussing this with a lot of people all the way since this saga began. Human brain works in such a way, that humans do not recognize individual letters, nor they care of their similarity to any other individual letter. Humans recognize words. Now, before someone jumps in to say domain names are not words (*) just hold on a bit.

There is this famous English saying "it all looks greek to me" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_to_me)
It says it all.

It is not only Cyrillic using users that will immediately recognize any text containing Cyrillic or ASCII as different, but also the typical America will too. They may not know that this is Cyrillic or Greek, but they will know it is not ASCII, or rather it is "strange characters". Or in our context: oh, this is one of those funny IDN domains.

So I am guessing it would be possible to ensure no ascii string could be registered under IDN .BG, and if that were so then the chance of having a confusing string under either .BR or IDN .BG would be remote.

It is not only possible. It is certain that there will be no ASCII sub-domains under .бг

Daniel

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