[governance] IGF plus IGC + only members list.

[Jeanette Hofmann]

On 22.05.2011 17:52, Katitza Rodriguez wrote:
> Can you elaborate your arguments, please?

I don't want to encourage what I argued against to begin with, another 
discussion about splitting the mailing list.

This mailing list has proven to be flexible enough to fulfill several 
functions, providing an open platform to discuss IG issues across single 
stakeholder groups and simultaneously providing the space to develop 
collective statements. It is actually amazing that this mailing list 
with its highly diverse list of subscribers has managed to survive for 
so many years without losing significant shares of subscribers (which 
doesn't say much about its actual readers though).

A splitting of the list risks destroying this space without any clear 
benefit. We don't have that many secrets to hide from other stakeholder 
groups (at least that I would know of) that seem worth taking such a 
chance. If there is a need for strategizing, small groups can always 
form offlist, and have often formed for that matter.

This mailing list is now 8 or 9 years old. It survived the end of WSIS 
and it might even survive the demise of the IGF. Its asset is its 
openness and its subscriber list. It would be sad if we destroyed it in 
the name of narrow understanding of civil society.

jeanette


>
> On 5/22/11 5:49 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 22.05.2011 17:17, parminder wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday 22 May 2011 02:02 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> we've had this discussion about different lists countless times
>>>> before. Fortunately, I think, there was never a majority for those who
>>>> argued in favor of differentiating between IGF as an open
>>>> multistakeholder platform and IGC as a civil society advocacy
>>>> organization.
>>> Jeanette,
>>>
>>> I did not understand what would you mean by non-differentiating between
>>> "IGF as an open multistakeholder platform and IGC as a civil society
>>> advocacy organization". Are the two not very different kinds of
>>> institutions?
>>
>> They share one mailing list and I would advise against changing that.
>>
>> jeanette
>>>
>>> And our charter clearly poses IGC as a civil society advocate
>>> organisation. That is what we are supposed to be, if we are not very
>>> ably that at the moment.
>>>
>>> parminder
>>>
>>>> It seems unlikely that a new discussion would lead to different
>>>> results. Therefore, if possible, lets not indulge in this issue again.
>>>>
>>>> My pragmatic suggestion would be to form informal and temporary
>>>> subgroups for issues that need non-public coordination. The membership
>>>> in such subgroups would be hand-picked and thus intransparent. Since
>>>> statements on behalf of the IGC would still need voting, I don't see a
>>>> problem with that.
>>>>
>>>> jeanette
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 22.05.2011 10:18, Izumi AIZU wrote:
>>>>> As one of the co-coordinators, I would like to respond briefly to the
>>>>> request
>>>>> or suggestion Katitza made about the need for creating a new, CS-only
>>>>> list.
>>>>>
>>>>> As already indicated here, there are pros and cons for this.
>>>>> If there is enough support to go for voting, then, yes, it will be the
>>>>> coordinators responsibility to open for such voting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like to see how many are explicitly in favor of creating this new
>>>>> list and
>>>>> how many are not so, but before doing so, please express your
>>>>> reactions
>>>>> first on the current list.
>>>>>
>>>>> izumi
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also would like to call attention to the fact that this list is
>>>>>> open to
>>>>>> other stakeholders including public authorities, government
>>>>>> officials,
>>>>>> technical community, and business sector representatives. Therefore,
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> need to understand that MAG members have a very difficult task to
>>>>>> share
>>>>>> strategies in a public list. Any public strategy that we can share
>>>>>> here, can
>>>>>> always harm our collective efforts in spaces where disclosing your
>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>> in advance is a big problem and can harm our work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to ask the coordinators to create a list for IGC-only
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> that is close to their members. In that way, civil society MAG
>>>>>> members will
>>>>>> be able to provide a better report after the meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best, Katitza
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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