[governance] Is This An Issue for Internet Governance/Internet Human Rights?

Wed Jul 27 06:49:42 EDT 2011

2011/7/27 Baudouin SCHOMBE <baudouin.schombe at gmail.com>

> Reading Roland and Paul, I wonder if it is not an issue of belonging to a
> particular school. The problem of law, as we all know, is relative
> depending on the context of each country and according to the realities of
> human communities.
> In the context of the Internet, national and international landscape is
> undeniably embedded to the extent that legal provisions do not stop within
> a country and must be in harmony with all other countries in subregional,
> regional and international levels. The Internet has no borders and has no
> owner. One of the most widely used instruments is the human rights through the
> world and in almost all countries, even those who say the contest.
> I admire the quality of debate but it is answering in your development
> environment. For countries like ours in Africa, this kind of debate is
> accessible and possible for around 10% of the population. Even in the sphere
> of decision making, this type of debate is not very noticeable and even
> less in the academic environment.
>
>
>
> "But governance can not be done by non-governmental, and especially
>  corporate, actors without major consequences" (Paul Lehto,26 juillet 2011
> 15:19)
>
>
> I am immersed in an unopened confusion by reading the argument of Paul
> above. Can give more clarification?
>
> Baudouin
>
>
>
> 2011/7/27 Paul Lehto <lehto.paul at gmail.com>
>
>> On 7/26/11, Roland Perry <roland at internetpolicyagency.com> wrote:
>> > I certainly didn't have Human Rights law especially in mind (even though
>> > earlier correspondents mentioned it), I'm interested here in a method to
>> > distinguish between those things which we need to think of as *Internet*
>> > governance, and those things which are perhaps Universal governance and
>> > the Internet is simply part of that universe.
>>
>> There's some danger that these types of approaches lead to a result,
>> whether intended or not, that "universal governance" is considered
>> inapplicable to the internet.  INstead, the proper view is that
>> Constitutional or human rights law is a normal part of contract law
>> (no contracts to be a slave, for example) and Constitutional or human
>> rights law is part of property law and every other branch of law
>> including "internet law" which is really a combination of contract,
>> free speech, property and IP laws all applied in a specific new type
>> of technological context.
>>
>> > Only then can we discuss the kind of detail you go into later (and which
>> > I have not previously commented on very much as far as I recall, so I'm
>> > not sure how you deduce my alleged position with such certainty).
>>
>> 1. As an internet policy expert, you should be in those areas of
>> constitutional and human rights laws now, since they are part of
>> contract, property and IP laws in addition to being fields of their
>> own, and they all impact the internet.
>>
>> 2.  Re: Deducing your "alleged position."  Roland, I am merely
>> assuming you are an internet policy expert (which implies awareness of
>> all significant factors affecting internet governance) and in that
>> context I am responding to the specific words you have recently
>> written, which don't leave much if any room for the topics you
>> acknowledge I've written about on this internet governance listserv.
>> So, if your position (when it is revealed in more detail) differs
>> substantially from what it appears to be today, I would of course have
>> to say that I was wrong in my interpretation of your position.  But
>> then I would also, because I went only with the clear meaning of your
>> words and their lack of any appropriate qualifications, have to decide
>> if fault doesn't also lay with unclear or imprecise writing on your
>> part.  Or, perhaps, an unclear or imprecise reading on my part.
>>
>> But, I'm not trying to divine your position by telepathy or
>> assumptions. I am, instead, responding to the words you choose to
>> place on the internet email "page" and then I presume, since you're an
>> internet policy expert, that what you publish via this listserv is
>> consistent with the rest of your thoughts and writings, and therefore
>> appropriately nuanced in wording in order to harmonize it with the
>> rest of your work.
>>
>> I guess another possibility is that you are taking a recreational and
>> somewhat unprofessional "shoot from the hip" approach in what you
>> write here on this listserv and therefore not carefully crafting  your
>> sentences to be consistent with other areas of your thinking.  I am
>> obviously not thinking that myself at the present time, because I am
>> taking your words and phrases seriously (and understand that you are a
>> native English speaker, as am I).
>>
>> The good news is that I care about what you write here.  Perhaps too
>> much?  :)  I think not, because internetpolicyagency.com should want
>> everyone to carefully weigh and consider everything it says about the
>> internet.
>>
>> Paul Lehto, J.D.
>>
>>
>>
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