[governance] Phase 2 of improvements to the IGC Web site

Sun Jan 9 16:42:52 EST 2011

Hi Don, you wrote

>There would appear to be a loan (sic) voice on this forum promoting both a need
for a membership database as well as a need for the Charter to be changed.

Most of us past co ordinators at least would see a membership database as a
positive step forward and an easing of administrative work. Jeremy is not
alone here and the debate is probably more about the form of a database
rather than the need for one.

As well, many if not most of the lists subscribers would by now realise that
there is a need for the Charter to be revised  in several respects. But
that¹s an undertaking that is going to need a group to take action. (I am
not volunteering!)

So I dont think Jeremy is acting alone. The silence of the majority of
people on this list with the current discussions might have more to do with
having discussed these issues before, or perhaps being disinterested in
matters of administrative process and more interested in internet governance
issues. I don¹t think you can take relative silence to mean that everyone
agrees with the points you make.

Ian Peter

From: Don Cameron <dg_cameron at bigpond.com>
Reply-To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, Don Cameron <dg_cameron at bigpond.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:35:22 +1100
To: <governance at lists.cpsr.org>, David Goldstein
<goldstein_david at yahoo.com.au>
Subject: RE: [governance] Phase 2 of improvements to the IGC Web site

> Additionally, if "the current membership list is on the basis of those who
voted in the last election," what happens to those who did not vote for whatever
reason?

David this point is exactly my concern and the reason I entered this
conversation  We cannot claim professionalism unless we follow open and
proper process.

In several unfortunate personalisation¹s I and others have loosely been
described as lurkers¹; internet old timers¹, and now in defining the right
to abstain from voting, as someone who doesn¹t want to vote¹  yet none of
these negative descriptors address the very real issue of one persons
interpretation of an organisational Charter being used to discriminate
against membership. That¹s what this discussion is all about.

Power building  yes. Democratic  no.

There would appear to be a loan voice on this forum promoting both a need
for a membership database as well as a need for the Charter to be changed. A
majority would appear to be against such change; yet change is happening
regardless.

The right of members for lazy consensus before the implementation of any
change is discarded for the sake of one person¹s interpretation of systems
expediency.

Is this a right and proper process?

Don      

From: governance-request at lists.cpsr.org
[mailto:governance-request at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of David Goldstein
Sent: Sunday, 9 January 2011 11:52 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jeremy Malcolm; Don Cameron
Subject: Re: [governance] Phase 2 of improvements to the IGC Web site

This process is absurd Jeremy and makes a mockery any sort of a democracy.

It seems like empire building for the sake of empire building. Ten year old
kids couldn't make more of a mess of this in organising a school play club.
Actually, they'd do a much better job.

Additionally, if "the current membership list is on the basis of those who
voted in the last election," what happens to those who did not vote for
whatever reason?

David

From: Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org>
To: Don Cameron <dg_cameron at bigpond.com>; governance at lists.cpsr.org
Sent: Sun, 9 January, 2011 10:39:56 PM
Subject: Re: [governance] Phase 2 of improvements to the IGC Web site

On 09/01/2011, at 7:09 PM, Don Cameron wrote:

The charter further defines self modification (moves to change the charter)
as follows: ³In amending the charter, everyone who voted in the previous
election will be deemed a member for amending the charter².

This certainly impacts on the right to vote for charter modifications,
however it otherwise has no impact on membership.

Well, so some say, but others (including myself) interpret it otherwise.
The current membership list is on the basis of those who voted in the last
election.  If we want to clarify this, we need to amend the charter.

In other news, I have properly fixed the LDAP errors that were preventing
people from editing their profiles to add extra optional profile information
(such as addresses and phone numbers), after they had registered.  Sorry
about that.

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