[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Mon Dec 19 08:15:38 EST 2011

> Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
> Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
> registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?

[IAS] It's just matter of explanation of implementation. Quoted reference is
just to give a reference of my wording that the changing ownership change
the implementation and may resolve the confusions. You are confused because
if you think that Brazil will be getting Cyrillic .бг as a IDN ccTLD, No,
not at all, (your unnecessary confusion will benefit (innocently) refusal
decision).
Just think if Brazilian ccTLD manager takes Cyrillic .бг as a new gTLD,
does it has any conflict when Bulgarians release the claim for .бг as IDN
ccTLD.

>I see two problems with this approach:
>- ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
particular expected to serve the local community according to local laws,
local traditions and more importantly in local language.

[IAS] not only ccTLD but the IDN ccTLD is expected to server the "local
community" by any means, but why IDN strings are being compared / evaluated
with the strings of other languages, ASCI or other IDN tables to explore any
confusion or conflicts.

>This becomes even more pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
>- the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.

[IAS] according to their new definition, even both ccTLDs are managed
locally but the operators are different FT policy will not allow.

>- there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
the long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.
Might be, but, I think the ASCII and IDN both will equally workable in new
gTLD framework to break (or at least crack) the skeleton of current domain
of popular TLDs.

Imran

> -----Original Message-----
> From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On
> Behalf Of Daniel Kalchev
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:43 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Subject: Re: [governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar
to other
> Latin ccTLDs?
>
> Dear Imran,
>
> There are concerns, that the amendmends address primarily "the EU case",
> where the string is confusable "with itself". Perhaps this is something
that
> has to be addressed/clarified.
>
> Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
> Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
> registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?
>
> I see two problems with this approach:
> - ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
> particular expected to serve the local community according to local laws,
local
> traditions and more importantly in local language. This becomes even more
> pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
> - the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
> making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.
> - there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
the
> long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.
>
> [joke mode]
> We could certainly imagine, that the new Brasilian President, who is of
> Bulgarian descent could be excited that their local registry could run the
new
> Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. That could eventually encourage mutual business, as
the
> Brasilian ccTLD manager opens office, local phone numbers, employs
> Bulgarian speakers etc. Just to please globalism.
> [joke mode off]
>
> The good outcome is, that this development has proven all those who
> claimed the IDN Fast Track is set in stone wrong. It remains to be seen if
their
> other claims hold water.
>
> Daniel
>
> On 19.12.11 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
> > Hi Avri, thank you for your apology. (shows your greatness). ccNSO
> > Council letter, Resolution and endorsement by the board for the
> > revision of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track provides strong evidence and
> > example that 1. IDN ccTLD Fast Track (a limited & short term
> > Implementation Program) was amendable/modifiable. 2. Key resources
> > understands and acknowledged that similarity can be helpful. 3. The
> > option/provisioning for adoption of such similar strings was also
> > known to them. 4. [important] They allowed this option for (and
> > within) territory and if the applicant for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry
> > Operator are same. 5. [very important] They intentionally disallowed
> > the same option for others (out of territory = Global context) and if
> > the applicants for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry Operator are two
> > separate entities. The same option /provisioning, we could use (to
> > claim) for the implementation of Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg).
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------ Just for reference quoting my previous words: (Sent: Thursday,
> > November 10, 2011 07:56 PM) ---------------------------------------- "
> > New study tells that instead of changing the consumer minds, change of
> > the ownership of the products or services or command may give you
> > better results. So, applying this new approach, will give following
> > results: .бг to .br .ελ to .EA (consumers will be offered to enjoy
the
> > Visual Similarity, even the .bg users will also be able to get their
> > domain registered Блгария.Бг) Now, read it again and smile, it
has
> > become a commercial model. New gTLD have no concern, what IDN
> Language
> > do you select."
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ------ We can still right to the Board, similar letter, we can also
> > write to ICANN Ombudsman that this revision is again reducing Internet
> > implementation to a territory (locally) instead of Globally and not
> > providing equal opportunity for everyone. We can also demand to expand
> > same policy for global implementation as well. Thanks for every one on
> > sharing thoughts for a combine initiatives in public interest. Regards
> > Imran Ahmed Shah
> >> -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org
> >> [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent:
> >> Sunday, December 18, 2011 07:07 PM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance]
> >> Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar
> > to other
> >> Latin ccTLDs? On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
> >>> Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast
> > Track:
> >>> Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board.
> >> I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down
> >> in
> > trying
> >> to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here,
> >> but
> > in
> >> terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN policy
> >> and process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge. Then I got
> >> distracted by other activities. I keep thinking I need to get
> > back to
> >> doing it, but haven't yet. I keep telling myself next week, and then
> >> next week I don't. Do people feel there is still a chance we can
> >> budge the ICANN Board on
> > this
> >> issue?
> >>> =========== ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December
> >>> 2011 of the
> >> amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan,
> >>> ICANN is providing this notice of publication for the Revised
> >>> Implementation Plan. This amendment was considered following
> >>> guidance received from the
> >> ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
> >>> Two versions are posted: 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process
> >>> Implementation Plan
> >> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementati
> >> on-
> >> plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB])
> >>> and 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version
> >> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementati
> >> on- plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]).
> >>> The community should take note that the original version of the IDN
> > ccTLD
> >> Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded
> >> by the Revised Implementation Plan.
> >>> Background
> >> Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all? I did not think
> >> so,
> > since
> >> they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was
> > confusing.
> >> It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic
> > expert
> >> should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant. avri
> >>
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