[governance] Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar to other Latin ccTLDs?

Mon Dec 19 02:43:19 EST 2011

Dear Imran,

There are concerns, that the amendmends address primarily "the EU case",
where the string is confusable "with itself". Perhaps this is something
that has to be addressed/clarified.

Otherwise I am confused by your proposal. Are you suggesting that the
Bulgarian IDN domain be granted for management to the BR (Brasilia)
registry? Likewise for the Greek domain?

I see two problems with this approach:
- ccTLDs are by definition created to serve the "local community" and in
particular expected to serve the local community according to local
laws, local traditions and more importantly in local language. This
becomes even more pronounced with IDN ccTLDs.
- the IDN ccTLD specifically involves the national Governments, thereby
making the case of an externally managed IDN ccTLD unworkable.
- there is no way to give precedence to ASCII ccTLDs over IDN ccTLDs. In
the long term, ASCII ccTLDs may in fact become minority.

[joke mode]
We could certainly imagine, that the new Brasilian President, who is of
Bulgarian descent could be excited that their local registry could run
the new Bulgarian IDN ccTLD. That could eventually encourage mutual
business, as the Brasilian ccTLD manager opens office, local phone
numbers, employs Bulgarian speakers etc. Just to please globalism.
[joke mode off]

The good outcome is, that this development has proven all those who
claimed the IDN Fast Track is set in stone wrong. It remains to be seen
if their other claims hold water.

Daniel

On 19.12.11 08:43, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
> Hi Avri, thank you for your apology. (shows your greatness). ccNSO
> Council letter, Resolution and endorsement by the board for the
> revision of the IDN ccTLD Fast Track provides strong evidence and
> example that 1. IDN ccTLD Fast Track (a limited & short term
> Implementation Program) was amendable/modifiable. 2. Key resources
> understands and acknowledged that similarity can be helpful. 3. The
> option/provisioning for adoption of such similar strings was also
> known to them. 4. [important] They allowed this option for (and
> within) territory and if the applicant for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry
> Operator are same. 5. [very important] They intentionally disallowed
> the same option for others (out of territory = Global context) and if
> the applicants for IDN ccTLD & ccTLD Registry Operator are two
> separate entities. The same option /provisioning, we could use (to
> claim) for the implementation of Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg).
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Just for reference quoting my previous words: (Sent: Thursday,
> November 10, 2011 07:56 PM) ---------------------------------------- "
> New study tells that instead of changing the consumer minds, change of
> the ownership of the products or services or command may give you
> better results. So, applying this new approach, will give following
> results: .бг to .br .ελ to .EA (consumers will be offered to enjoy the
> Visual Similarity, even the .bg users will also be able to get their
> domain registered Блгария.Бг) Now, read it again and smile, it has
> become a commercial model. New gTLD have no concern, what IDN Language
> do you select."
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> We can still right to the Board, similar letter, we can also write to
> ICANN Ombudsman that this revision is again reducing Internet
> implementation to a territory (locally) instead of Globally and not
> providing equal opportunity for everyone. We can also demand to expand
> same policy for global implementation as well. Thanks for every one on
> sharing thoughts for a combine initiatives in public interest. Regards
> Imran Ahmed Shah
>> -----Original Message----- From: governance at lists.cpsr.org
>> [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria Sent:
>> Sunday, December 18, 2011 07:07 PM To: IGC Subject: Re: [governance]
>> Is really Bulgarian Cyrillic .бг (.bg) similar 
> to other
>> Latin ccTLDs? On 16 Dec 2011, at 14:26, Imran Ahmed Shah wrote:
>>> Just to update about the revised version of ICANN's IDN ccTLD Fast 
> Track:
>>> Still we were not able to draft or send letter to ccNSO and Board. 
>> I apologize, I started working on a letter and then got bogged down in 
> trying
>> to find a convincing argument; they all make sense when argued here, but 
> in
>> terms of crafting a note to the Board that uses existing ICANN policy
>> and process and is difficult to ignore, was the challenge. Then I got
>> distracted by other activities. I keep thinking I need to get 
> back to
>> doing it, but haven't yet. I keep telling myself next week, and then
>> next week I don't. Do people feel there is still a chance we can
>> budge the ICANN Board on 
> this
>> issue?
>>> =========== ...."Following the ICANN Board's approval on 8 December
>>> 2011 of the 
>> amendment to the IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process Implementation Plan,
>>> ICANN is providing this notice of publication for the Revised
>>> Implementation Plan. This amendment was considered following
>>> guidance received from the 
>> ccNSO during the ICANN meeting in Dakar, Senegal.
>>> Two versions are posted: 1) the revised IDN ccTLD Fast Track Process
>>> Implementation Plan 
>> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-
>> plan-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 851 KB])
>>> and 2) a version that tracks the changes from the previous version 
>> (http://www.icann.org/en/topics/idn/fast-track/idn-cctld-implementation-
>> plan-redline-15dec11-en.pdf[PDF, 902 KB]).
>>> The community should take note that the original version of the IDN 
> ccTLD
>> Fast Track Process Implementation Plan is now archived and superseded
>> by the Revised Implementation Plan.
>>> Background 
>> Does this change affect the Bulgarian issue at all? I did not think so, 
> since
>> they were not saying it was the ASCII ccTLD for Bulgaria that was 
> confusing.
>> It is good that the acknowledgement that reaching out to a linguistic 
> expert
>> should not be a rare occurrence, and perhaps that is relevant. avri
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