[governance] A shame for the EC
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
Wed Dec 14 06:03:47 EST 2011
Given that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come as a
surprise to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was made.
M
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From: governance at lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance at lists.cpsr.org] On Behalf
Of Andrea Glorioso
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [governance] A shame for the EC
Dear all,
while I would have much to say on the topic, I am but a humble officer of
the European Commission. You can therefore find the reaction of Neelie Kroes
herself to the "comments" received so far here:
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/
For Jean-Louis: there are many ways to let Neelie Kroes know your views,
both via email (Neelie.Kroes at ec.europa.eu - not sure what you mean by saing
her email address is "protected"), by comments on her blog
(http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/
<http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/> ),
via twitter (@NeelieKroesEU) and via plain old paper mail
(http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/contact/commissioner/index_e
n.htm). As you are surely aware, many people have made use of this
opportunity.
Best,
Andrea
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Matthias C. Kettemann
<matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at> wrote:
Dear Jean-Louis,
I agree with you, but Guttenberg's appointment by EU Commissioner Kroes
might not have been quite so bad after all: Both he and the dictators he's
supposed to interact with are experienced with angry crowds of online
activists publishing information online that they'd rather not have the
world see (plagiarism in his thesis vs. human rights violations in their
countries). If he convinces dictators to act the same way he did - lie a
bit, if they must, but then accept the inevitable and go peacefully - he
might actually not have been such a bit choice after all. (I've blogged
about this at http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com).
But what we should ask ourselves is why our contacts at the EU haven't
raised the alarm. A personnel choice at this level takes months of planning.
Kind regards
Matthias
Am 13.12.2011 00:12, schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK:
Dear members of the list
Please find below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes, theEuropean
Commissioner on Information Society, but I failed since her mail is
protected and her newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.
It is about a German ex-Minister of Defence who was obliged to resign eight
months ago after having frauded his doctoral thesis (i.a. by copying large
textings of other authors) and lied in his "explanations".
Newsletter of the Information Society in Europe (the European Commission on
Information Society official publication)
PRESS RELEASE
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id
=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=dail
y> Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by Kroes to promote internet freedom
globally
<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id
=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=dail
y>
(12 December 2011) European Commission Vice-President Neelie Kroes has
invited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a former Federal Minister of Defence,
and of Economics and Technology, in Germany, to advise on how to provide
ongoing support to Internet users, bloggers and cyber-activists living under
authoritarian regimes. This appointment forms a key element of a new "No
Disconnect Strategy" to uphold the EU's commitment to ensure human rights
and fundamental freedoms are respected both online and off-line, and that
internet and other information and communication technology (ICT) can remain
a driver of political freedom, democratic development and economic growth.
The "promotion" of this notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the
Commission and their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".
Of course, he is a proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and paste"
:-))
Obviously he isn't an icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic regimes,
nor for the Internet.
Jean-Louis Fullsack
Director of French NGO CSDPTT
Accredited civil society delegate to the World Summit on Information Society
(WSIS)
Member of the UNESCO Chair, University of Srrasbourg
Message du 12/12/11 17:43
> De : "parminder"
> A : governance at lists.cpsr.org
> Copie à :
> Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
>
>
> On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:
We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the
global Internet.
You already have them. With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons,
is free to set up their own DNS roots,
> Karl,
>
> The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global governance
(here, in my quoted email, private and extra territorial IP enforcement) so
often gets responded to by a CIR management solution. I have endless (non)
debates with McTim over similar lines. Why should discussions on so many
other more important issues of global Internet governance remain forever
hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management space.
>
> Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains that unlike
DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime that is immune to
IP regimes that are otherwise operating over them, de jure or de facto. I
have asked for countervailing systems of political and democratic power
specifically against US's unilateral enforcement of its law over other
countries. I dont see how this problem gets solved by your response.
>
> As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different kind of issue:
In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your views, I do not have any
problem with a single root and a single DNS, or even for ICANN to be
managing it. I only have a problem with UN gov oversight of ICANN and
applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just that part should move to an
international jurisdiction, with nothing else changing substantially. This
is a simple, clear and, in my view, wholly reasonable demand.
>
> We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to issue a direction
to ICANN to act in a certain way, in pursuance of upholding US law in one
of the thousand possible areas that can cause such an order, and ICANN will
have to do it, and all the feigned innocence of ICANN's globalness and
neutrality will be gone up in thin air in a moment. And, hopefully later
than sooner, US government itself will be caught into a high stake security
'situation' whereby it will just have to do something vis a vis the CIRs
that it exercises control over, in negation of what it likes to make
everyone believe that it will never do. I have no idea why we must all wait
for that time to scramble to solve the problem that we know is already
there.
>
> parminder
>
populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision
their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers. And
DNSSEC will still work. As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive:
Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and
routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space.
Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level
gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application
level gateways. Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those
who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an
attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and
application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to
monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block. (Moreover, in
these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing
investments in IPv4 equipment can rem
ain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as
one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.) What I am
saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation,
that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an
internet of internets. --karl--
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