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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN class=352515710-14122011>Given
that the general reaction to this appointment could not have come as a surprise
to Mme. Kroes or her staff one really has to ask why it was
made.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us class=OutlookMessageHeader align=left><FONT size=2
face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
governance@lists.cpsr.org [mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Andrea Glorioso<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:09
AM<BR><B>To:</B> governance@lists.cpsr.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance]
A shame for the EC<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Dear all,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>while I would have much to say on the topic, I am but a humble officer of
the European Commission. You can therefore find the reaction of Neelie Kroes
herself to the "comments" received so far here:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/">http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/</A></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>For Jean-Louis: there are many ways to let Neelie Kroes know your views,
both via email (<A
href="mailto:Neelie.Kroes@ec.europa.eu">Neelie.Kroes@ec.europa.eu</A> - not
sure what you mean by saing her email address is "protected"), by comments on
her blog (<A
href="http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/">http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/</A>),
via twitter (@NeelieKroesEU) and via plain old paper mail (<A
href="http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/contact/commissioner/index_en.htm">http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/contact/commissioner/index_en.htm</A>). As
you are surely aware, many people have made use of this opportunity.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Andrea<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Matthias C. Kettemann
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:matthias.kettemann@uni-graz.at">matthias.kettemann@uni-graz.at</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Dear Jean-Louis, <BR><BR>I agree with
you, but Guttenberg's appointment by EU Commissioner Kroes might not
have been quite so bad after all: Both he and the dictators he's supposed to
interact with are experienced with angry crowds of online activists
publishing information online that they'd rather not have the world see
(plagiarism in his thesis vs. human rights violations in their countries).
If he convinces dictators to act the same way he did - lie a bit, if they
must, but then accept the inevitable and go peacefully - he might actually
not have been such a bit choice after all. (I've blogged about this at <A
href="http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com"
target=_blank>http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com</A>).<BR><BR>But
what we should ask ourselves is why our contacts at the EU haven't raised
the alarm. A personnel choice at this level takes months of planning.
<BR><BR>Kind regards<BR><BR>Matthias <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Am 13.12.2011
00:12, schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Dear members of the list<BR><BR><BR>Please find
below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes, theEuropean Commissioner on
Information Society, but I failed since her mail is protected and her
newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.<BR><BR>It is about a German ex-Minister of
Defence who was obliged to resign eight months ago after having frauded
his doctoral thesis (i.a. by copying large textings of other authors) and
lied in his "explanations". <BR><BR><BR><BR>Newsletter of the Information
Society in Europe (the European Commission on Information Society
official publication)<BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 5pt"></SPAN><SPAN>PRESS
RELEASE</SPAN>
<P class=MsoNormal><A
href="http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily"
target=_blank><SPAN>Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by Kroes to promote
internet freedom globally</SPAN></A></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 5pt"></SPAN><A
href="http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily"
target=_blank><SPAN></SPAN></A><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
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<P><FONT size=1><EM>(12 December 2011)</EM> European Commission
Vice-President Neelie Kroes has invited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a
former Federal Minister of Defence, and of Economics and Technology, in
Germany, to advise on how to provide ongoing support to Internet users,
bloggers and cyber-activists living under authoritarian regimes. This
appointment forms a key element of a new "No Disconnect Strategy" to
uphold the EU's commitment to ensure human rights and fundamental freedoms
are respected both online and off-line, and that internet and other
information and communication technology (ICT) can remain a driver of
political freedom, democratic development and economic growth.</FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The "promotion"
of this notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the Commission and
their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 5pt"></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 5pt"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Of course, he
is a proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and paste"
:-))</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 5pt"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Obviously he
isn't an icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic regimes, nor for the
Internet.</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Jean-Louis
Fullsack <BR>Director of French NGO CSDPTT</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 5pt"></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Accredited
civil society delegate to the World Summit on Information Society
(WSIS)</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Member of the
UNESCO Chair, University of Srrasbourg </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 5pt"><BR><BR></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN>Message
du 12/12/11 17:43<BR>
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De : "parminder" <BR>> A : <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org"
target=_blank>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A><BR>> Copie à : <BR>>
Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On
Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote: </PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the global Internet. </PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE>You already have them. With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up their own DNS roots,</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>>
Karl, <BR>> <BR>> The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue
of global governance (here, in my quoted email, private and extra
territorial IP enforcement) so often gets responded to by a CIR
management solution. I have endless (non) debates with McTim over
similar lines. Why should discussions on so many other more important
issues of global Internet governance remain forever hostage to the
logics and sensitivities of CIR management space. <BR>>
<BR>> Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains
that unlike DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime
that is immune to IP regimes that are otherwise operating over them, de
jure or de facto. I have asked for countervailing systems of political
and democratic power specifically against US's unilateral enforcement of
its law over other countries. I dont see how this problem gets solved by
your response.<BR>> <BR>> As for CIR governance, which I insist is
a rather different kind of issue: In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I
respect your views, I do not have any problem with a single root and a
single DNS, or even for ICANN to be managing it. I only have a problem
with UN gov oversight of ICANN and applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just
that part should move to an international jurisdiction, with nothing
else changing substantially. This is a simple, clear and, in my view,
wholly reasonable demand.<BR>> <BR>> We all know that sooner or
later, a US court is going to issue a direction to ICANN to act in
a certain way, in pursuance of upholding US law in one of the thousand
possible areas that can cause such an order, and ICANN will have to do
it, and all the feigned innocence of ICANN's globalness and neutrality
will be gone up in thin air in a moment. And, hopefully later than
sooner, US government itself will be caught into a high stake security
'situation' whereby it will just have to do something vis a vis the CIRs
that it exercises control over, in negation of what it likes to make
everyone believe that it will never do. I have no idea why we must all
wait for that time to scramble to solve the problem that we know is
already there.<BR>> <BR>> parminder <BR>>
<BLOCKQUOTE><PRE> populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers. And DNSSEC will still work. As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive: Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space. Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways. Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block. (Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can rem
ain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.) What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an internet of internets. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: <A href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org" target=_blank>governance@lists.cpsr.org</A> To be removed from the list, visit: <A href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target=_blank>http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</A> For all other list information and functions, see: <A href="http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance" target=_blank>http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance</A> To edit your p
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