[governance] A shame for the EC
Andrea Glorioso
andrea at digitalpolicy.it
Wed Dec 14 05:09:12 EST 2011
Dear all,
while I would have much to say on the topic, I am but a humble officer of
the European Commission. You can therefore find the reaction of Neelie
Kroes herself to the "comments" received so far here:
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/
For Jean-Louis: there are many ways to let Neelie Kroes know your views,
both via email (Neelie.Kroes at ec.europa.eu - not sure what you mean by saing
her email address is "protected"), by comments on her blog (
http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/<http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/neelie-kroes/no-disconnect-response-issue/>),
via twitter (@NeelieKroesEU) and via plain old paper mail (
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/kroes/contact/commissioner/index_en.htm).
As
you are surely aware, many people have made use of this opportunity.
Best,
Andrea
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Matthias C. Kettemann <
matthias.kettemann at uni-graz.at> wrote:
> Dear Jean-Louis,
>
> I agree with you, but Guttenberg's appointment by EU Commissioner Kroes
> might not have been quite so bad after all: Both he and the dictators he's
> supposed to interact with are experienced with angry crowds of online
> activists publishing information online that they'd rather not have the
> world see (plagiarism in his thesis vs. human rights violations in their
> countries). If he convinces dictators to act the same way he did - lie a
> bit, if they must, but then accept the inevitable and go peacefully - he
> might actually not have been such a bit choice after all. (I've blogged
> about this at http://internationallawandtheinternet.blogspot.com).
>
> But what we should ask ourselves is why our contacts at the EU haven't
> raised the alarm. A personnel choice at this level takes months of
> planning.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
> Am 13.12.2011 00:12, schrieb Jean-Louis FULLSACK:
>
> Dear members of the list
>
>
> Please find below my message I tried to send to Mrs Kroes, theEuropean
> Commissioner on Information Society, but I failed since her mail is
> protected and her newsletter is "no-reply" :-(.
>
> It is about a German ex-Minister of Defence who was obliged to resign
> eight months ago after having frauded his doctoral thesis (i.a. by copying
> large textings of other authors) and lied in his "explanations".
>
>
>
> Newsletter of the Information Society in Europe (the European Commission
> on Information Society official publication)
> PRESS RELEASE
>
> Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg invited by Kroes to promote internet freedom
> globally<http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily>
>
>
> <http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/newsroom/cf/redirection.cfm?item_id=7666&utm_campaign=isp&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsroom&utm_content=daily>
>
> *(12 December 2011)* European Commission Vice-President Neelie Kroes has
> invited Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, a former Federal Minister of Defence,
> and of Economics and Technology, in Germany, to advise on how to provide
> ongoing support to Internet users, bloggers and cyber-activists living
> under authoritarian regimes. This appointment forms a key element of a new
> "No Disconnect Strategy" to uphold the EU's commitment to ensure human
> rights and fundamental freedoms are respected both online and off-line, and
> that internet and other information and communication technology (ICT) can
> remain a driver of political freedom, democratic development and economic
> growth.
>
>
> The "promotion" of this notorious forger is a shame for Mrs Kroes, the
> Commission and their "protégé" and a great blow for "European values".
>
> Of course, he is a proven Internet expert, especially in "copy and paste"
> :-))
>
> Obviously he isn't an icon of "freedom", neither for undemocratic regimes,
> nor for the Internet.
>
>
>
> Jean-Louis Fullsack
> Director of French NGO CSDPTT
>
> Accredited civil society delegate to the World Summit on Information
> Society (WSIS)
>
> Member of the UNESCO Chair, University of Srrasbourg
>
>
>
>
> Message du 12/12/11 17:43
>
> > De : "parminder"
> > A : governance at lists.cpsr.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [governance] SOPA or no SOPA
> >
> >
> > On Monday 12 December 2011 11:10 AM, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>
> On 12/10/2011 06:44 AM, parminder wrote:
>
> We need countervailing systems of political and democratic power for the global Internet.
>
> You already have them. With regard to DNS, any person, or group of persons, is free to set up their own DNS roots,
>
>
> > Karl,
> >
> > The unfortunate problem is that a non CIRs issue of global governance
> (here, in my quoted email, private and extra territorial IP enforcement) so
> often gets responded to by a CIR management solution. I have endless (non)
> debates with McTim over similar lines. Why should discussions on so many
> other more important issues of global Internet governance remain forever
> hostage to the logics and sensitivities of CIR management space.
> >
> > Even if I were to accept your argument, the issue remains that unlike
> DNS, a group of people cannot set up their own IP regime that is immune to
> IP regimes that are otherwise operating over them, de jure or de facto. I
> have asked for countervailing systems of political and democratic power
> specifically against US's unilateral enforcement of its law over other
> countries. I dont see how this problem gets solved by your response.
> >
> > As for CIR governance, which I insist is a rather different kind of
> issue: In fact, perhaps unlike you, and I respect your views, I do not have
> any problem with a single root and a single DNS, or even for ICANN to be
> managing it. I only have a problem with UN gov oversight of ICANN and
> applicaiton of US law to ICANN. Just that part should move to an
> international jurisdiction, with nothing else changing substantially. This
> is a simple, clear and, in my view, wholly reasonable demand.
> >
> > We all know that sooner or later, a US court is going to issue a
> direction to ICANN to act in a certain way, in pursuance of upholding US
> law in one of the thousand possible areas that can cause such an order, and
> ICANN will have to do it, and all the feigned innocence of ICANN's
> globalness and neutrality will be gone up in thin air in a moment. And,
> hopefully later than sooner, US government itself will be caught into a
> high stake security 'situation' whereby it will just have to do something
> vis a vis the CIRs that it exercises control over, in negation of what it
> likes to make everyone believe that it will never do. I have no idea why we
> must all wait for that time to scramble to solve the problem that we know
> is already there.
> >
> > parminder
> >
>
> populate them with whatever top level domains (TLD)s they like, provision their own DNS servers, and point their computers at those servers. And DNSSEC will still work. As for IP addresses - this is a bit more expensive: Anyone can establish their own routing systems with their own links and routers and using their own distinct IPv4 (or IPv6) address space. Connectivity to "the rest of the world" would be via application level gateways/proxies - most modern protocols don't mind proxies or application level gateways. Of course these may be exactly the same paths that those who wish to exert increased control will chose to follow - it is an attractive path to the forces of control because those proxies and application level gateways represent points of control traffic - places to monitor, places to limit, places to tax, places to block. (Moreover, in these times of economic distress, this path also means that existing investments in IPv4 equipment can rem
> ain in place and by re-using the entire IPv4 address space as many times as one wants it eliminates the IPv4 address exhaustion issue.) What I am saying is that there are forces, from both sides of the "liberty" equation, that are combining to push today's singular end-to-end internet into an internet of internets. --karl-- ____________________________________________________________ You received this message as a subscriber on the list: governance at lists.cpsr.org To be removed from the list, visit: http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing For all other list information and functions, see: http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance To edit your p
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