On NN workshop RE: Re: [governance] Three IGC workshops ) NN FYI DIPLO

[George Sadowsky]

All,

I'm not sure if what I'm going to insert below pertains directly to 
the discussion on this list, but I found it useful.

Dave Crocker makes a differentiation between two different concepts 
of what is called net neutrality:

>Discussion about "neutrality" needs to distinguish between Service 
>Neutrality and Participant Neutrality.
>
>
>Participant Neutrality means that email from or to me gets treated 
>the same as mail from or to you. Equally, web pages I retrieve from 
>Google get treated the same as web pages I retrieve from Yahoo! or 
>from <http://ietf.org>ietf.org.  Differential handling is based on 
>IP Address or Domain Name.
>
>Service Neutrality means that email, web, voip telephone calls, 
>real-time remote sensor data, and every other type of "application" 
>get treated equally. Differential handling is based on the IP 
>Protocol field or the TCP/UDP Port number.  Real service neutrality 
>means that it is not possible for the network infrastructure to 
>support quality of service guarantees, such as inter-packet arrival 
>times (jitter.)
>
>The challenge of service neutrality is technical, such as dealing 
>with the potential that preference for one service will destroy the 
>ability to use another service.
>
>The challenge of participant neutrality is political, since it 
>relates to potentially unfair treatment of different people or 
>organizations.
>
>An example of Participant Neutrality that can be masked as Service 
>Neutrality is when two organizations have competing application 
>protocols and one is given preference.  The preference appears to be 
>based on the protocol but is really concerned with who is operating 
>the service.
>
>Discussions about net neutrality typically fail to make this basic 
>distinction and therefore typically wind up with people talking past 
>each other or, worse, imposing policies that really do restrict the 
>ability of the Internet to properly support adequate operation of a 
>service.

Further, it may be the case that you can have one or the other, but 
not both simultaneously.  I haven't thought that through, but if it's 
true, then there's a whole space of net neutrality components that 
need more detailed analysis.

George Sadowsky

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At 6:25 PM +0300 4/15/11, McTim wrote:
>On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>>>  Foo
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Fouad Bajwa
>>>  <<mailto:fouadbajwa at gmail.com>fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  It would be advisable that for once, this workshop should only give the
>>>  developing world perspective.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Is there such a thing?
>>>
>>>  I've never seen one.  Here in Africa, it's just not on many agendas.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>  Interesting point.  McTim, how about asking on the kictanet list and see if
>>  people there (various stakeholders) think it's an issue worth discussing,
>>  perhaps some might support the workshop.
>
>NB: this is the same point made by PJS, just comes at it from a
>different perspective.
>
>Sure I can do that.  How shall I/we define what we mean by  NN??
>
>I think we are all for NN, just some of us have different definitions.
>
>--
>Cheers,
>
>McTim
>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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