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<div>All,</div>
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<div>I'm not sure if what I'm going to insert below pertains directly
to the discussion on this list, but I found it useful.</div>
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<div>Dave Crocker makes a differentiation between two different
concepts of what is called net neutrality:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Discussion about "neutrality"
needs to distinguish between Service Neutrality and Participant
Neutrality.<br>
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<br>
Participant Neutrality means that email from or to me gets treated the
same as mail from or to you. Equally, web pages I retrieve from Google
get treated the same as web pages I retrieve from Yahoo! or from <a
href="http://ietf.org">ietf.org</a>. Differential handling is
based on IP Address or Domain Name.<br>
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Service Neutrality means that email, web, voip telephone calls,
real-time remote sensor data, and every other type of
"application" get treated equally. Differential handling is
based on the IP Protocol field or the TCP/UDP Port number. Real
service neutrality means that it is not possible for the network
infrastructure to support quality of service guarantees, such as
inter-packet arrival times (jitter.)<br>
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The challenge of service neutrality is technical, such as dealing with
the potential that preference for one service will destroy the ability
to use another service.<br>
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The challenge of participant neutrality is political, since it relates
to potentially unfair treatment of different people or
organizations.<br>
<br>
An example of Participant Neutrality that can be masked as Service
Neutrality is when two organizations have competing application
protocols and one is given preference. The preference appears to
be based on the protocol but is really concerned with who is operating
the service.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Discussions about net neutrality
typically fail to make this basic distinction and therefore typically
wind up with people talking past each other or, worse, imposing
policies that really do restrict the ability of the Internet to
properly support adequate operation of a service.</blockquote>
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<div>Further, it may be the case that you can have one or the other,
but not both simultaneously. I haven't thought that through, but
if it's true, then there's a whole space of net neutrality components
that need more detailed analysis.</div>
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<div>George Sadowsky</div>
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<div>At 6:25 PM +0300 4/15/11, McTim wrote:</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Adam
Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp> wrote:<br>
>> Foo<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Fouad Bajwa<br>
>> <<mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com>fouadbajwa@gmail.com>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> It would be advisable that for once, this workshop should
only give the<br>
>> developing world perspective.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Is there such a thing?<br>
>><br>
>> I've never seen one. Here in Africa, it's just not on
many agendas.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Interesting point. McTim, how about asking on the kictanet
list and see if<br>
> people there (various stakeholders) think it's an issue worth
discussing,<br>
> perhaps some might support the workshop.<br>
<br>
NB: this is the same point made by PJS, just comes at it from a<br>
different perspective.<br>
<br>
Sure I can do that. How shall I/we define what we mean by
NN??<br>
<br>
I think we are all for NN, just some of us have different
definitions.<br>
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--<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is.
A<br>
route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<br>
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