[governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011

Tue Sep 7 00:50:28 EDT 2010

Hello,

This is not a trivial issue of a choice in a tourism destination, but a
question of participation in a summit that sets the next course of Internet
Governance. The strategic implications of this move (to UN, NY) relates to
ITU's business ambitions for an enhanced role in Internet Governance.

Another dimension of this issue is that the move to US is that it would shut
out part of the participation. In principle it is not acceptable to choose a
destination that would permit 999 out of a thousand probable participants.
 US happens to be a destination that would grant visas to 99, not 999 of
those interested in participation.

It is not alright for the Civil Society to leave this choice of venue
unchallenged.

( Also, I wonder if we should 'appeal' to the ITU to reconsider. Should we
give so much importance to a Trade Union due to the earlier accident of its
role in the WSIS Geneva and Tunis?  Why don't we make a representation to
the UN Secretary General that the WSIS should be a multi-stakeholder effort?
)

Sivasubramanian M

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Lee W McKnigh <lmcknigh at syr.edu> wrote:

> To summarize:
>
> A WSIS 2011 venue has been decided by ITU; and accepted by UN HQ. It's good
> for some - such as people coming from Caribbean - and yeah ok us New Yorkers
> too.
> And a long way from Asia.
>
> Instead of discussing what we might hope to accomplish in 2011, or in
> Vilnius, we plan to protest - what exactly? New York City? Jay-Z?
>
> CS is showing its strategic acumen again for sure....ok not so much.
>
> Lee
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: izumiaizu at gmail.com [izumiaizu at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Izumi AIZU [
> aizu at anr.org]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:09 PM
> To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Norbert Klein
> Subject: Re: [governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011
>
> From the edge of the "Far East", both Geneva and NYC are not
> too convenient to fly. And from my limited experience there have been
> more visa challenges to get US visa than European, or Swiss visa
> from developing countries, in Asia or Africa, to begin with.
>
> For most Asian countries, SE Asia, South Asia, flight to Europe
> is one hop while to the US East coast requires two hops (or sometimes
> three including connections).
>
> I also note that proposal by ITU to move to NYC may be strategic.
>
> I understand there are no perfect or ideal solution. Making it to NYC
> is better for most people in the Americas, at least for the convenience.
>
> Keeping the status quo sounds bad in general (for me), but this time,
> I think it's safer to ask for Geneva. AND, in case NYC is selected, we
> should request additional measures for visa and other elements.
>
> best,
>
> izumi from Tokyo
>
>
>
> 2010/9/6 Norbert Klein <nhklein at gmx.net>:
> > On 09/07/2010 08:19 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> >> Milton, some of your arguments make little sense, sorry -- we are
> >> talking about CS worldwide, not American CS concentration in a 300 mi
> >> radius around NY. In this case, let us move it to São Paulo -- the
> >> metropolitan area alone has thousands of registered NGOs...
> >>
> >> I think that having to choose only between NY and Geneva, I would
> >> stick to Geneva. Moving to NY would still keep it in the "Elizabeth
> >> Arden" circuit which does not change things much, except that Wolf's
> >> arguments regarding this move continue to make sense to me.
> >>
> >> And there is the non-trivial visa question -- it is an obvious mistake
> >> to think Swiss visas are as difficult to obtain as a US one.
> >>
> >> frt rgds
> >>
> >> --c.a.
> >
> > Living in Cambodia (with a German passport) I have, over the years,
> > helped many Cambodians to process their Schengen visa applications for
> > conference participation or studies, all without any rejection; I have
> > tried also to help others with US visa applications - unfortunately the
> > process was more difficult, and it did not work out in several cases.
> >
> > Of course this is based on several dozen cases only - maybe overall
> > statistics may lead to different results.
> >
> >
> > Norbert
> >
> > --
> > If you want to know what is going on in Cambodia, please visit
> > The Mirror, a regular review of the Cambodian language press in English.
> >
> > This is the latest weekly editorial of The Mirror:
> >
> > The Law, Rules, and Common Sense
> > Sunday, 5.9.2010
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/366f5f4
> > (to read it, click on the line above.)
> >
> > And here is something new from time to time - at least every weekend:
> > The NEW ADDRESS of The Mirror:
> >
> > http://www.cambodiamirror.org
> >
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