<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Hello,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>This is not a trivial issue of a choice in a tourism destination, but a question of participation in a summit that sets the next course of Internet Governance. The strategic implications of this move (to UN, NY) relates to ITU's business ambitions for an enhanced role in Internet Governance. </font><div>
<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Another dimension of this issue is that the move to US is that it would shut out part of the participation. In principle it is not acceptable to choose a destination that would permit 999 out of a thousand probable participants. US happens to be a destination that would grant visas to 99, not 999 of those interested in participation. </font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">It is not alright for the Civil Society to leave this choice of venue unchallenged.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">( Also, I wonder if we should 'appeal' to the ITU to reconsider. Should we give so much importance to a Trade Union due to the earlier accident of its role in the WSIS Geneva and Tunis? Why don't we make a representation to the UN Secretary General that the WSIS should be a multi-stakeholder effort? )</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif">Sivasubramanian M</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Lee W McKnigh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lmcknigh@syr.edu">lmcknigh@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
To summarize:<br>
<br>
A WSIS 2011 venue has been decided by ITU; and accepted by UN HQ. It's good for some - such as people coming from Caribbean - and yeah ok us New Yorkers too.<br>
And a long way from Asia.<br>
<br>
Instead of discussing what we might hope to accomplish in 2011, or in Vilnius, we plan to protest - what exactly? New York City? Jay-Z?<br>
<br>
CS is showing its strategic acumen again for sure....ok not so much.<br>
<br>
Lee<br>
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To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.cpsr.org">governance@lists.cpsr.org</a>; Norbert Klein<br>
<div class="im">Subject: Re: [governance] RE: WSIS Forum 2011<br>
<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">From the edge of the "Far East", both Geneva and NYC are not<br>
too convenient to fly. And from my limited experience there have been<br>
more visa challenges to get US visa than European, or Swiss visa<br>
from developing countries, in Asia or Africa, to begin with.<br>
<br>
For most Asian countries, SE Asia, South Asia, flight to Europe<br>
is one hop while to the US East coast requires two hops (or sometimes<br>
three including connections).<br>
<br>
I also note that proposal by ITU to move to NYC may be strategic.<br>
<br>
I understand there are no perfect or ideal solution. Making it to NYC<br>
is better for most people in the Americas, at least for the convenience.<br>
<br>
Keeping the status quo sounds bad in general (for me), but this time,<br>
I think it's safer to ask for Geneva. AND, in case NYC is selected, we<br>
should request additional measures for visa and other elements.<br>
<br>
best,<br>
<br>
izumi from Tokyo<br>
<br>
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2010/9/6 Norbert Klein <<a href="mailto:nhklein@gmx.net">nhklein@gmx.net</a>>:<br>
> On 09/07/2010 08:19 AM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:<br>
>> Milton, some of your arguments make little sense, sorry -- we are<br>
>> talking about CS worldwide, not American CS concentration in a 300 mi<br>
>> radius around NY. In this case, let us move it to São Paulo -- the<br>
>> metropolitan area alone has thousands of registered NGOs...<br>
>><br>
>> I think that having to choose only between NY and Geneva, I would<br>
>> stick to Geneva. Moving to NY would still keep it in the "Elizabeth<br>
>> Arden" circuit which does not change things much, except that Wolf's<br>
>> arguments regarding this move continue to make sense to me.<br>
>><br>
>> And there is the non-trivial visa question -- it is an obvious mistake<br>
>> to think Swiss visas are as difficult to obtain as a US one.<br>
>><br>
>> frt rgds<br>
>><br>
>> --c.a.<br>
><br>
> Living in Cambodia (with a German passport) I have, over the years,<br>
> helped many Cambodians to process their Schengen visa applications for<br>
> conference participation or studies, all without any rejection; I have<br>
> tried also to help others with US visa applications - unfortunately the<br>
> process was more difficult, and it did not work out in several cases.<br>
><br>
> Of course this is based on several dozen cases only - maybe overall<br>
> statistics may lead to different results.<br>
><br>
><br>
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