AW: [governance] Consensus Call for CSTD IGF Questionnaire -

[Lee W McKnight]

Echoing McTim,  more fiber = cheaper bandwidth, which is good. Africa with 500m mobile subscribers..can use the bandwidth I suspect.

In Caribbean case, encouraging the laying of several new fibers through region was a major outcome from the Caribbean Internet Forum meetings, so real tangible outcomes enabling development can come from regional meetings.  

On other hand if not multistakeholder, they can just be a bunch of talking heads with little impact, so I wouldn't assume either is case without knowing specifics.

And while we debate whether COE or UN should consider 'frameworks' or 'principles' for Internet gpvernance, Caribbean multistakeholders came up with an open Internet framework several years ago...although final drafting was too intergovernmental for my taste I admit. 

Still, main point is regional meetings are fine in principle but  can be done well or poorly in practice.  Kind of like...anything else.

Last, with regard to OECD, which I haven't been able to participate much in but did participate in the opening to CS: since the door was open I and others through it worthwhile to open further. formally. To further principle and precedent.  

Now, back to our regularly scheduled global programming...

Lee

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From: McTim [dogwallah at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 2:52 PM
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org; Jean-Louis FULLSACK
Cc: Baudouin SCHOMBE
Subject: Re: AW: [governance] Consensus Call for CSTD IGF Questionnaire -

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack at orange.fr<mailto:jlfullsack at orange.fr>> wrote:

> And what are 12 submarine cables along the African coasts doing for
> exchanging coms in Central Africa for instance ? Who is caring about that
> waste of money (some 7 billions dollars) ?

Landing those cables is a big step, it took many years.  Once coastal connectivity is established, inland fiber comes quite quickly due to commercial pressure.

Why is it a waste of money? It's mostly international investors who believe they will get a return. I doubt they see this as "waste".

There are 15 cables that land in the NYC metro area, Shouldn't Africa's Billion people have the same access as New Yorkers?


> We aren't far from Internet governance when we are speaking of such issues :
> for Internet to be "governed" correctly it first of all needs to be
> implemented ! I.e. there must be relevant traffic nodes (exchanges, GIX,
> PoP, ...) and a resilient network for interconnecting them on the continent

These are being built (and in some cases operational).

> ! In Africa, IG is first of all about the topology of the continental
> backbone, i.e. the location of IXPs, GIXes and PoPs for holding the "
> domestic African" traffic wthin the continent and useing the shortest or
> most economical links.

Without the cables you decry, the shortest and cheapest route would often be overseas and back.


 This topology needs a relevant Internet architecture
> : here IG is to be at work ! Moreover, the insertion of Africa in the
> international traffic flow needs selected landing stations (and satellite
> hubs) to be the gateway stations to the global optical fiber routes that
> really connects Africa to the World.

We have these.


--
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel

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