[governance] WG: Concern for the future of civil society re IGF

[Eric Dierker]

Block movement. Pontificate all the complexities. Show how hard all this is. Give sage advice out of a book. Without stating it, show us how up you are on all subjects.  Claim too busy and important to participate here -- but obstruct.  The word pompous comes to mind.
 
Any logical mind would have grasped the wording being drafted for the conclusion of the document.  He cannot draft a document saying "we have not reached consensus". It is amazing when truly gifted wise people are so socially ignorant to say; "I am too busy to contribute but I have all the time in the world to give advice and tell you what is wrong"
 
Here we have the logic: There is no rough consensus because I say so.  The theory that because people are silent they do not agree is for malcontents and egotists that feel they have not gotten the credits they deserve. Clearly the burden is on those who do not agree to say so.Silence is acquiescence, combined with voluntary membership is support.  This elitism is contageous. And it builds itself when the elitists join together and give each other awards and public Kudos.
 
(this reminds me of an American President getting a peace prize while he is sending 30,000 off to war --- He may be great, he may be righteous -- but he damn sure ain't peaceful)  Someone might say great things and be supersmart, but if he does not contribute he is not helpful.

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:


From: "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
Subject: [governance] WG: Concern for the future of civil society re IGF
To: governance at lists.cpsr.org
Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:13 PM




Hi all

McTim is right, there is no "rough consensus". 

I did not jump into the discussion because I am very busy these days with some other activities, however I follow the debate and would warn to move forward too fast. 

There is a need for a more fundamental clarification of the whole issue and a more strategic re-orientation of the IGC and the role of civil society in Internet Governance policy development in the coming years. This is part of a broader package of post MAG/IGF, post JPA/ICANN and post GAID/UN. What is the role of the IGC in all these processes (including the forthcoming ITU pushed WSIS Forum in May 2010 and the ITU Plenipotentiary Conference in October 2010). And what the IGC is doing in other process where Internet Governance becomes an issue (ACTA is just one example)? And how the IGC positioned itself to new processes in the UN General Assembly (with regard to Internet security and governance, pushed by the government of Russia in the 2nd committee)? And what we are doing in cases like Google vs. China? 

Before we make hasty statements on the future of the IGF, probably we should start to discuss a more strategic vision paper on "Civil Society and Internet Governance 2015". If we have something like this until the IGF in Vilnjus this would be great. We could have an extra one day pre-conference of the IGC to invite also other stakeholders and we could organize one or two workshops around this strategic re-orientation within the IGF 2010 programme.  

Jeremy, I understand that as a new co-chair you want to "deliver" something, but sometimes it is better for a chair just to enable the members of the group to exchange their views, to stimulare their thinking and to moderate a bottom up opinion building process. Strong leadership includes also the capacity to listen, to ask questions (not to give quick answers) and to steer the process from behind, where needed. 

Best regards

Wolfgang



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