[governance] IGC statement REVISION 3.0: consensus call comes

Wed Feb 17 00:49:42 EST 2010

Hello Parminder

ISOC is my home, so is IETF by extension. I will say the same of ICANN and
ICANN at-Large. I have looked at my own organizations critically for some of
their shortcomings, but these are finer points and there aren't many.
Definitely not something so glaring that one needs to think of ISOC / ICANN
as organizations any where in the realm of ITU.  With ISOC / ICANN it is a
matter of imperfections that are internal and certainly no where in the
nature of problems that are capable of causing harm to the Internet. With
ITU, it is a problem of inconsiderately harmful commercial and political
'design's.

Besides how do you know that it 'escaped' my attention, if there is anything
that had to be noticed? I might have been expressive of the little
shortcomings in-house and in that I wouldn't have cared to be diplomatic or
pleasant about, but again these are finer concerns that pale in comparison
with the scale of issues with ITU.

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>wrote:

>  There is a good amount of truth in your analysis Siva, but I do not
> understand that when you so roundly criticize ITU for its business
> association why is that ICANN/ ISOC/ ITEF/ RIRs etc escape your notice on
> similar counts. Parminder
>
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>
> Hello Katiza
>
> ITU is an anomaly that deviates from the ancient wisdom behind the dictum
> that "a nation's capital should be situated as farther away from the sea
> shore as possible": (merchants congregate near the sea; if the capital is
> close to the sea, merchants would have proximity to the members of the
> Government, so there is greater likelihood of the merchants corrupting the
> politicians). Telecom corporations have the rare advantage of being seated
> alongside Government at the ITU. This anomalous position makes it possible
> for the telecoms to exercise an undue influence on governments, unnoticed by
> the Governments.
>
> The ITU was established because telegraphic communication needed to be
> standardized for interoperability across continents. ITU established
> standards for telegraphic and phone communication.
>
> Governments chose to be part of the ITU when Governments owned telecom
> corporations. Over time, most Governments have withdrawn their stakes in
> their telecommunication corporations, but haven't ceased to be a part of
> this business cartel. The result is that we are now left with a
> business-government nexus, of which unwittingly Governments are a part.
>
> This status is a unique status, not conferred upon the business unions of
> any other industry. ITU has been in a position to influence national and
> global policies related to all communication. ITU's core concern is that it
> should govern and control all business of communication. The ITU sets
> policies and rules in all communication: Telegraphs, telephones, mobile
> phones and it also manages the RF spectrum and satellite communications with
> the exception of the Internet.
>
> ITU's idea of an Internet was a networking solution provided by telecom
> companies on a commercial business model. ITU tried to take charge of the
> Internet in the early days of Internet. This did not happen as the Internet
> took shape as a free and open medium. The Internet evolved to be way beyond
> the purview of the ITU and it shape as a world on its own.
>
> In its recent attempts to impose itself in Internet Governance, it couldn't
> succeed because the mutli-stakeholder approach has rendered the Civil
> Society as a powerful force in any policy debate (if not decision) related
> to the Internet.
>
> This must have made the ITU very uncomfortable and as an organization with
> its anachronistic status as a UN Agency, the ITU The Internet threatened the
> business models of telecom companies as technologies such as email, VOIP
> began to be adopted worldwide. The ITU also found a new breed of phone
> companies like Skype that didn't obey the ITU rules becoming phenomenally
> successful and an emerging threat to phone company revenues.
>
> The freedom of the Internet is because of the open architecture of the
> Internet and due to such principles as the end to end principle, all of
> which could be easily redefined if the task of Internet architecture and
> Internet standards comes under the ITU umbrella. So the ITU tried to
> interject itself in the Internet Standards process. The Critical Internet
> Resources could be brought under the ITU umbrella by taking over a
> vulnerable corporation called ICANN. That could ensure a technical dominance
> of the Internet by the ITU. But for overall control, ITU needs to take over
> Internet Governance with the argument that easily fools at least a few
> policy makers: that the ITU is a well organized, 145 year old organization
> that has 191 national governments as its members. It attempts to derive a
> position in policy making (which is otherwise in the realm of Governments)
> by interjecting itself in the policy arena as a UN Agency, while it is in
> reality a business union.
>
> The ITU organizes the World Telecommunication Policy Forum in an attempt to
> position itself / retain its position in the policy arena. The ITU asserts
> its position in policy making in subtle ways. For instance, at the IGF in
> Sharm el Sheikh, an ITU representative said " We have no intention
> whatsoever to do the business of the ICANN, what the ICANN is doing
> best...everybody doesn't want the ICANN to do what is the mandate of the ITU
> of policy-making, public-policy issues and so on”
>
> That was subtle. The ITU representative had managed to assert that policy
> making is ITU's birthright and that the ITU has a legitimate and unequaled
> role in policy making. This inappropriate statement was somehow allowed to
> slip in without a challenge at the IGF.
>
> At Egypt, ITU's representatives raised questions about IPv6 allocation
> system, in an attempt to bring the ITU into the function of allocation of IP
> addresses. This was mild compared to a blatant speech by the Secretary
> General at ICANN Cairo, which almost amounted to a bid to take over ICANN.
>
> ITU's constant attempts to gain a "controlling interest" in Internet
> Governance is resisted by the Internet Community. This is what causes the
> 'tensions'.
>
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Katitza Rodriguez <
> katitza at datos-personales.org> wrote:
>
>> Greetings:
>>
>> Can someone explain me the ITU-IGF tension? I do not follow ITU.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Yehuda Katz wrote:
>>
>>  My constructive dissection:
>>>
>>>  None of these suggestions would fundamentally alter the IGF as an
>>>> institution;
>>>>
>>> for example, we are content that it remain formally convened by the UN
>>> Secretary General, with an independent budget and a Secretariat under
>>> contract
>>> with the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs
>>> (UNDESA).  We
>>> do not see any benefit to the IGF in moving underneath a different UN
>>> body.
>>>
>>> I take it that: "... We do not see any benefit to the IGF in moving
>>> underneath
>>> a different UN body. ..." addresses the ITU's position.
>>> Myself, I see no insult in addressing the ITU's position more directly.
>>> (Spit
>>> it out)
>>>
>>> Add something like this: And it is genraly felt that if the IGF is to be
>>> subsumed by the ITU, then IGC members would prefer the IGF remain
>>> independent
>>> of the UN umbrella.
>>>
>>> I am suggesting to leave open 'The-Thought' of an Independent IGF for
>>> serval
>>> reasons,
>>> 1. There may be Other UN Branches (Other than the ITU) that want to hose
>>> the
>>> IGF
>>> 2. It may be that the IGF can be Independent and 'First among Equals'
>>> (among
>>> all the UN Branches) in respect to Internet Policy, underwritten by the
>>> MDG and
>>> WSIS Declarations.
>>> 3. if the IGF is in fact slated to conclude, the statement establishes
>>> the
>>> IGC's commitment to the IGF's ongoing Independence.
>>> ...
>>> Don't be Shy, the Chair at the ITU certainly is not. Give them (Dese &
>>> Markus)
>>> the fuel to fight.
>>> I don't feel you'll insult anyone by being Frank & Direct, in fact now is
>>> the
>>> time to do just that, the delicate 'Modalities' as Bertrand de La
>>> Chapelle puts
>>> it can come later.
>>>
>>> Else where in your statement, you should add something a-kin too
>>> "Piercing the
>>> corporate Veil", that is make reference to the 'Invisibility' of the UN
>>> Umbrella Insider negotiations (UN inside modalities) regarding the
>>> determination of the IGF's composition, that should be made real-time and
>>> transparent to All.
>>>
>>> I use the 'Piercing the corporate Veil' analogy because I feel They (the
>>> UNSG/UNDESA/ITU/IGF Chairs) have broken their contract with US, in
>>> regards to
>>> Transparency of the final negotiations. Last Year's transactions/actions
>>> were
>>> evidence of the fact.
>>> ---
>>>
>>> * Piercing the corporate Veil
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil
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