[governance] Re: Remote Participation Instructions for the MAG

Wed Feb 10 07:11:43 EST 2010

The MAG meeting is in progress today and will continue tomorrow, but MAG
meetings are closed.

Yesterday's Open consultation meeting can be replayed from page
http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
http://www.isocmadras.com

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Deirdre Williams <
williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think no one noticed that we had a badly worded subject line - I only saw
> it this morning after I read your message. The remote participation was
> yesterday for the Open Consultation. It was far from perfect but it was
> available (mostly - the morning was better) - and I must say that the
> captioning was posted very quickly afterwards so that one could fill in the
> gaps.
> Deirdre
>
>
> On 10 February 2010 06:40, CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>
>> Well, that does not work. There is no video atall. The video link leads to
>> an advertisement from VideoLAN. The VCL mediaplayer download offered does
>> not improve matters.
>> The Chat is Read Only.
>>
>> Who is <sdkaaa>?
>>
>> How did Chennai post their interesting question? I notice that nobody else
>> has found out how to enter meaningful text into the Chat.
>>
>> Regards, CW
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09 Feb 2010, at 15:18, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>>
>> Ginger,
>>
>> These comments are comments are not posted for discussion in today's
>> meetings. Think of this discussion as a sideline discussion during the
>> review process, to take further shape as a concrete proposal. Yes, we will
>> send this to the Secretariat as a suggestion.
>>
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>> http://www.isocmadras.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Good point, Shiva, and one many have made at the OC this morning. We
>>> are now past the time for this agenda point, and are moving on to agenda. We
>>> are not looking for a solution for today, but for participation in a
>>> process. I suggest that you send this comment directly to the IGF
>>> secretariat, and I know the RPWG will take it under consideration.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ginger
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello Ginger
>>>
>>>  Oliver and I had a chat on this topic and I have had some exchanges on
>>> twitter with Marilla.
>>>
>>>  Our concern is not to find a temporary solution to participate in the
>>> meeting today, it is a general concern, it is about the technical resources
>>> required for remote participation, by IGF standards
>>>
>>>  IGF is *THE* Internet forum, a place where the who is who of Internet
>>> and all the technical expertise converges and the infrastructure available
>>> must be uncompromising. The present standards are a generation behind, there
>>> is no room for contention.
>>>
>>>  It is all run by volunteers, yes, but this is not a comment about
>>> people, it is a comment about the resources to be committed, about the
>>> attention that needs to be paid. IGF needs to consult professionals months
>>> in advance to determine the bandwidth and infrastructure requirements,
>>> arrange to send experts to the locations days in advance to flawlessly set
>>> up the remote participation infrastructure.
>>>
>>>  My suggestion here is that administratively the IGF Secretariat could
>>> call for advise from the technical community
>>>
>>>
>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>>> http://www.isocmadras.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Bernard Sadaka <sdkaaa at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Olivier,
>>>> Please find bellow all the ways you could participate in the current IGF
>>>> OC:
>>>>
>>>>    - Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and
>>>>    video/audio: http://www.igfremote.info/RP/
>>>>    - Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and audio
>>>>    only: http://www.igfremote.info/RP/audioonly.php
>>>>    - Remote participation from your mobile including coveritlive,
>>>>    twitter and no audio or video: http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/
>>>>    - Remote participation via Webex: http://bit.ly/bvJQSY
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if i can help you in any other way...
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Bernard
>>>> --
>>>> Bernard SADAKA
>>>> Mobile: +961 3 172377
>>>> Email : sdkaaa at gmail.com
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer
>>>> Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <
>>>> ocl at gih.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Hello Bernard,
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you, and thanks to all of the others (Patrik Fältström, for
>>>>> example), who have tried to have some kind of remote participation set-up.
>>>>> This is not meant as a criticism of anyone, just a provocative remark to get
>>>>> some people to open their eyes, rather than bathing each other in
>>>>> congratulatory, back-patting, empty speech.
>>>>>
>>>>> The trouble is that I've never managed to get the video/audio feed to
>>>>> work.
>>>>> For one, they don't work with Firefox.
>>>>> And then it appears that there's not enough bandwidth somewhere along
>>>>> the line...
>>>>> I can get Webex, Skype, Marratech, Adobe Meeting, and Jabber to work
>>>>> perfectly, even with 2-way video, and yet, remote participation at this
>>>>> meeting = nil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever, remote participation, for me, currently rates at 0/10. ie.
>>>>> non existent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any remote participation system should be designed for 100s of remote
>>>>> participants, and should not fail when more than 10 people connect
>>>>> simultaneously...
>>>>>
>>>>> My question: with the whole point of the IGF being multi-stakeholder
>>>>> public participation, why is this subject not being dealt with in a
>>>>> professional way?
>>>>> The current arrangement is very poor. Sorry, I mean: dreadful. It makes
>>>>> the whole IGF process a complete joke.
>>>>> Perhaps Dr. Touré was right when he used the term "waste of time".
>>>>>
>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 08/02/2010 22:00, Bernard Sadaka a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx Sivasubramanian,
>>>>> You could also use http://www.igfremote.info/RP/
>>>>> or http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/ from a mobile phone (you won't have
>>>>> webcast though here :) )
>>>>> All the Best.
>>>>> Bernard.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bernard SADAKA
>>>>> Mobile: +961 3 172377
>>>>> Email : sdkaaa at gmail.com
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer
>>>>> Lebanon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <
>>>>> isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bernard sdkaaa of Lebanon has gathered this info that would make it
>>>>>> easy to participate remotely in the meeting tomorrow:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Live Blog: IGF February 2010 Open Consultations
>>>>>> Date: Tuesday February 9, 2010
>>>>>> Time: 09:30 CET
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to view the event, simply click here. Or alternatively,
>>>>>> copy-paste this link in your browser:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No passwords necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Questions to sharmstocktaking at intgovforum.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>>>>>> http://www.isocmadras.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhDhttp://www.gih.com/ocl.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
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