[governance] Re: Remote Participation Instructions for the MAG

Deirdre Williams williams.deirdre at gmail.com
Wed Feb 10 05:55:09 EST 2010 

I think no one noticed that we had a badly worded subject line - I only saw
it this morning after I read your message. The remote participation was
yesterday for the Open Consultation. It was far from perfect but it was
available (mostly - the morning was better) - and I must say that the
captioning was posted very quickly afterwards so that one could fill in the
gaps.
Deirdre

On 10 February 2010 06:40, CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:

> Well, that does not work. There is no video atall. The video link leads to
> an advertisement from VideoLAN. The VCL mediaplayer download offered does
> not improve matters.
> The Chat is Read Only.
>
> Who is <sdkaaa>?
>
> How did Chennai post their interesting question? I notice that nobody else
> has found out how to enter meaningful text into the Chat.
>
> Regards, CW
>
>
>
> On 09 Feb 2010, at 15:18, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>
> Ginger,
>
> These comments are comments are not posted for discussion in today's
> meetings. Think of this discussion as a sideline discussion during the
> review process, to take further shape as a concrete proposal. Yes, we will
> send this to the Secretariat as a suggestion.
>
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> http://www.isocmadras.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Good point, Shiva, and one many have made at the OC this morning. We are
>> now past the time for this agenda point, and are moving on to agenda. We are
>> not looking for a solution for today, but for participation in a process. I
>> suggest that you send this comment directly to the IGF secretariat, and I
>> know the RPWG will take it under consideration.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ginger
>>
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>>
>> Hello Ginger
>>
>>  Oliver and I had a chat on this topic and I have had some exchanges on
>> twitter with Marilla.
>>
>>  Our concern is not to find a temporary solution to participate in the
>> meeting today, it is a general concern, it is about the technical resources
>> required for remote participation, by IGF standards
>>
>>  IGF is *THE* Internet forum, a place where the who is who of Internet
>> and all the technical expertise converges and the infrastructure available
>> must be uncompromising. The present standards are a generation behind, there
>> is no room for contention.
>>
>>  It is all run by volunteers, yes, but this is not a comment about
>> people, it is a comment about the resources to be committed, about the
>> attention that needs to be paid. IGF needs to consult professionals months
>> in advance to determine the bandwidth and infrastructure requirements,
>> arrange to send experts to the locations days in advance to flawlessly set
>> up the remote participation infrastructure.
>>
>>  My suggestion here is that administratively the IGF Secretariat could
>> call for advise from the technical community
>>
>>
>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>> http://www.isocmadras.com
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Bernard Sadaka <sdkaaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Olivier,
>>> Please find bellow all the ways you could participate in the current IGF
>>> OC:
>>>
>>>    - Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and
>>>    video/audio: http://www.igfremote.info/RP/
>>>    - Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and audio only:
>>>    http://www.igfremote.info/RP/audioonly.php
>>>    - Remote participation from your mobile including coveritlive,
>>>    twitter and no audio or video: http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/
>>>    - Remote participation via Webex: http://bit.ly/bvJQSY
>>>
>>> Let me know if i can help you in any other way...
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Bernard
>>> --
>>> Bernard SADAKA
>>> Mobile: +961 3 172377
>>> Email : sdkaaa at gmail.com
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer
>>> Lebanon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Hello Bernard,
>>>>
>>>> thank you, and thanks to all of the others (Patrik Fältström, for
>>>> example), who have tried to have some kind of remote participation set-up.
>>>> This is not meant as a criticism of anyone, just a provocative remark to get
>>>> some people to open their eyes, rather than bathing each other in
>>>> congratulatory, back-patting, empty speech.
>>>>
>>>> The trouble is that I've never managed to get the video/audio feed to
>>>> work.
>>>> For one, they don't work with Firefox.
>>>> And then it appears that there's not enough bandwidth somewhere along
>>>> the line...
>>>> I can get Webex, Skype, Marratech, Adobe Meeting, and Jabber to work
>>>> perfectly, even with 2-way video, and yet, remote participation at this
>>>> meeting = nil.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever, remote participation, for me, currently rates at 0/10. ie. non
>>>> existent.
>>>>
>>>> Any remote participation system should be designed for 100s of remote
>>>> participants, and should not fail when more than 10 people connect
>>>> simultaneously...
>>>>
>>>> My question: with the whole point of the IGF being multi-stakeholder
>>>> public participation, why is this subject not being dealt with in a
>>>> professional way?
>>>> The current arrangement is very poor. Sorry, I mean: dreadful. It makes
>>>> the whole IGF process a complete joke.
>>>> Perhaps Dr. Touré was right when he used the term "waste of time".
>>>>
>>>> Olivier
>>>>
>>>> Le 08/02/2010 22:00, Bernard Sadaka a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Thx Sivasubramanian,
>>>> You could also use http://www.igfremote.info/RP/
>>>> or http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/ from a mobile phone (you won't have
>>>> webcast though here :) )
>>>> All the Best.
>>>> Bernard.
>>>> --
>>>> Bernard SADAKA
>>>> Mobile: +961 3 172377
>>>> Email : sdkaaa at gmail.com
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>> BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer
>>>> Lebanon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <
>>>> isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> Bernard sdkaaa of Lebanon has gathered this info that would make it
>>>>> easy to participate remotely in the meeting tomorrow:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Live Blog: IGF February 2010 Open Consultations
>>>>> Date: Tuesday February 9, 2010
>>>>> Time: 09:30 CET
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to view the event, simply click here. Or alternatively,
>>>>> copy-paste this link in your browser:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e
>>>>>
>>>>> No passwords necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Questions to sharmstocktaking at intgovforum.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>>>>> http://www.isocmadras.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhDhttp://www.gih.com/ocl.html
>>>>
>>>>
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