[governance] Re: Remote Participation Instructions for the MAG

Tue Feb 9 09:18:32 EST 2010

Ginger,

These comments are comments are not posted for discussion in today's
meetings. Think of this discussion as a sideline discussion during the
review process, to take further shape as a concrete proposal. Yes, we will
send this to the Secretariat as a suggestion.

Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
http://www.isocmadras.com

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Ginger Paque <gpaque at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Good point, Shiva, and one many have made at the OC this morning. We are
> now past the time for this agenda point, and are moving on to agenda. We are
> not looking for a solution for today, but for participation in a process. I
> suggest that you send this comment directly to the IGF secretariat, and I
> know the RPWG will take it under consideration.
>
> Best,
> Ginger
>
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote:
>
> Hello Ginger
>
>  Oliver and I had a chat on this topic and I have had some exchanges on
> twitter with Marilla.
>
>  Our concern is not to find a temporary solution to participate in the
> meeting today, it is a general concern, it is about the technical resources
> required for remote participation, by IGF standards
>
>  IGF is *THE* Internet forum, a place where the who is who of Internet and
> all the technical expertise converges and the infrastructure available must
> be uncompromising. The present standards are a generation behind, there is
> no room for contention.
>
>  It is all run by volunteers, yes, but this is not a comment about people,
> it is a comment about the resources to be committed, about the attention
> that needs to be paid. IGF needs to consult professionals months in advance
> to determine the bandwidth and infrastructure requirements, arrange to send
> experts to the locations days in advance to flawlessly set up the remote
> participation infrastructure.
>
>  My suggestion here is that administratively the IGF Secretariat could
> call for advise from the technical community
>
>
> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
> http://www.isocmadras.com
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Bernard Sadaka <sdkaaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Olivier,
>> Please find bellow all the ways you could participate in the current IGF
>> OC:
>>
>>    - Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and video/audio:
>>    http://www.igfremote.info/RP/
>>    - Remote participation including coveritlive, twitter and audio only:
>>    http://www.igfremote.info/RP/audioonly.php
>>    - Remote participation from your mobile including coveritlive, twitter
>>    and no audio or video: http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/
>>    - Remote participation via Webex: http://bit.ly/bvJQSY
>>
>> Let me know if i can help you in any other way...
>> All the best,
>>
>> Bernard
>> --
>> Bernard SADAKA
>> Mobile: +961 3 172377
>> Email : sdkaaa at gmail.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>> BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer
>> Lebanon
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>wrote:
>>
>>>  Hello Bernard,
>>>
>>> thank you, and thanks to all of the others (Patrik Fältström, for
>>> example), who have tried to have some kind of remote participation set-up.
>>> This is not meant as a criticism of anyone, just a provocative remark to get
>>> some people to open their eyes, rather than bathing each other in
>>> congratulatory, back-patting, empty speech.
>>>
>>> The trouble is that I've never managed to get the video/audio feed to
>>> work.
>>> For one, they don't work with Firefox.
>>> And then it appears that there's not enough bandwidth somewhere along the
>>> line...
>>> I can get Webex, Skype, Marratech, Adobe Meeting, and Jabber to work
>>> perfectly, even with 2-way video, and yet, remote participation at this
>>> meeting = nil.
>>>
>>> Whatever, remote participation, for me, currently rates at 0/10. ie. non
>>> existent.
>>>
>>> Any remote participation system should be designed for 100s of remote
>>> participants, and should not fail when more than 10 people connect
>>> simultaneously...
>>>
>>> My question: with the whole point of the IGF being multi-stakeholder
>>> public participation, why is this subject not being dealt with in a
>>> professional way?
>>> The current arrangement is very poor. Sorry, I mean: dreadful. It makes
>>> the whole IGF process a complete joke.
>>> Perhaps Dr. Touré was right when he used the term "waste of time".
>>>
>>> Olivier
>>>
>>> Le 08/02/2010 22:00, Bernard Sadaka a écrit :
>>>
>>> Thx Sivasubramanian,
>>> You could also use http://www.igfremote.info/RP/
>>> or http://www.igfremote.info/mRP/ from a mobile phone (you won't have
>>> webcast though here :) )
>>> All the Best.
>>> Bernard.
>>> --
>>> Bernard SADAKA
>>> Mobile: +961 3 172377
>>> Email : sdkaaa at gmail.com
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> BsE in Computer and Communication Engineer
>>> Lebanon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy <
>>> isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello
>>>>
>>>> Bernard sdkaaa of Lebanon has gathered this info that would make it easy
>>>> to participate remotely in the meeting tomorrow:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Live Blog: IGF February 2010 Open Consultations
>>>> Date: Tuesday February 9, 2010
>>>> Time: 09:30 CET
>>>>
>>>> In order to view the event, simply click here. Or alternatively,
>>>> copy-paste this link in your browser:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.igfremote.info/RP/?altcast_code=e02867f44e
>>>>
>>>> No passwords necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Questions to sharmstocktaking at intgovforum.org
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian Muthusamy
>>>> http://www.isocmadras.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhDhttp://www.gih.com/ocl.html
>>>
>>>
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